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NYC cracks down on Soda

Discussion in 'The OT' started by fluffybear, Sep 13, 2012.

  1. Lord Vader

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    Oh, it's a BIG joke, and one reason food prices in the United States are so ridiculously high (and climbing).

    It's time to get rid of the subsidies.
     
  2. bobukcat

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    I lost faith in the farm subsidies program when I read (several years ago) that Ted Turner was one of the biggest collectors of farm subsidies. Obviously what was intended to help sustain American farmers turned into a cash grab by those with enough money to go buy up a bunch of so called farm land in order to collect those subsidies. Just like most other GVT. programs - it's being abused!
     
  3. bobukcat

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    I would only add the the health benefits (calcium and vitamins) are much greater in the milk than in the soda which has basically zero nutritional value, and the milk doesn't contain caffeine.
     
  4. Cholly

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    Agreed. What was originally intended to protect small, family farms has turned into a cash cow for factory farms run by large corporations.
    It's unlikely that these subsidies will go away. Big agribusiness companies lend support to too many members of the Senate and House. :(
     
  5. Laxguy

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    It ain't the cost of the product as it leaves the farm that really jacks up your food bill. Think of all the middle men and processing that goes on and you may get it.
     
  6. Lord Vader

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    Actually, it has been shown many times by news investigators how the subsidies and other governmental policies lead to an increase in agricultural products, particularly corn, and because corn is used in so many products, including non-food products, when its price rises, so do the prices on every item in which corn is an ingredient.

    It was shocking to learn that supposedly, more than 50% of corn's use is for non-food items. This is not good.
     
  7. bobukcat

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    That begs the question - if corn isn't being used in those product what would be and would it be more expensive? I have to assume the answer to that question is that, as a general rule, corn is the cheapest or best option otherwise the product would be made with something else.
     
  8. James Long

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    Also, what would you do with the farmers ... cutting the need for corn in half would mean that half of the corn would not need to be grown. Is there something else they should grow or should they just go out of business?
     
  9. Lord Vader

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    The corn wouldn't be unneeded anymore. The lowering of its price would trigger lower prices of the products in which corn is an ingredient. That would increase demand, which would lead to more corn being needed.
     
  10. Laxguy

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    Well, we'd export more, and a lot of farmers would lose their shirts. And farmland, hence livelihoods.

    For heaven's sake, how much do you think the cost of corn in a box of $5.00 cornflakes is? Even when price of corn rises 50%, it means a FEW PENNIES increase in the cost of the ingredients in said box. It's the truckers, processing, manufacturers,middle men, distributors and retailers, and their respective markups that add $4.75 to a box of $5.00 cornflakes.
     
  11. Lord Vader

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    Those costs are more fixed than the actual product itself is, and they're less likely to have as much of an impact. Corn's usage has led to some staggering price increases in food lately. From milk to beef, Americans are feeling the pinch, and it's not from truckers, middle men, etc.
     
  12. Laxguy

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    In some areas of wholesale use of corn, that's true. Feed corn for one, ethanol for another.

    If you think the price of consumer products will decrease when corn prices drop (and they do fluctuate), then you might just as well believe that providers of TV feeds will drop their fees when xy or z channel goes dark.
     
  13. Laxguy

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    Really? Do you have one shred of evidence- a link perhaps- from a credible source that supports this absurdity? Look, I grow corn, so I am somewhat heated by these cavalier and unsupported statements.
     
  14. Lord Vader

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    You're also in California, which skews everything economics-wise, due to that state's totally screwed up situation.
     
  15. Laxguy

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    One's understanding of economics or agriculture need not be limited by one's current address.

    The corn I grow is in the MidWest (which is not very West, and certainly not mid.)
     
  16. AntAltMike

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    Gulp inflation. The new self-service soda fountain pricing sinage at one 7-Eleven I frequent has changesd and now says that the cutoff point for 99 cent, "small" refills is 32 ounces and that any larger cup refills for $1.49, so that includes my very large, "small" X-treme Gulp. Fportunately for me, I still have some of the old pre-downsizing 64 ounce Double Gulp cups, so if I want to make a pest of myself, I may start filling those up for $1.49, and then pouring portions of it into my 52 ounce, insulated, X-treme Gulp mug in the car...
     
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    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...source=SFnewyorkpost&utm_medium=SFnewyorkpost

     
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    And they had just gotten their new testing cups!

    Of course they do plan to appeal.
     
  20. Drucifer

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    Instead of select businesses having to follow the law and others not, Blommie just needs to make it a total city-wide ban with no exceptions.
     

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