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On Demand - Download Slow...Tech Question

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by thekochs, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. hilmar2k

    hilmar2k Hall Of Fame

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    Just started downloading an HD movie from HBO On Demand. It's 1:37 long. I'll report back when the download is complete.

    EDIT: So far, the movie is downloading at about 1:1. The movie is about 100 minutes long (so 1 minute is 1%). I am 15 minutes into the download and at 15% complete.

    EDIT #2: Still crusing along at about 1:1. At the 90 minute mark of the download I am at 88% complete.

    EDIT #3: Download just finished. Took 1:40 to download 1:37 movie.
     
  2. thekochs

    thekochs DirecTV 10yr+ Customer

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    OK...I did some more tests but since I don't really know the size of the files it is hard to calculate an accurate conclusion.

    Guys Big Bite
    Food Network
    Channel 1231
    Aired 12/7/08
    23min long
    Don't think it is HD...did not say it was
    Took 18Min to download
    My progerss bar was RED until 11Min mark.

    I then went to make sure about trying a HD program........

    Dan Rather Reports
    HDNet
    Channel 1306
    Aired 11/15/2011
    56min long
    It said it is HD
    Took 48Min to download
    My progress bar was RED until 36Min mark.

    So......wish I knew how large these files were to see bps speed but at least the times seem more reasonable.
    However, if you assume the above thread that said DirecTV limits their access to 3Mbps then for the about Dan Rather
    48min download.....that's 3Mbps => 180Mbp-min => 22.5MBytes per min x 48 Min = ~1GByte....which for H.264
    @ ~1.5-2Mb encode rate for ~ one hour program would be about right (I think.....it's a rough calc for sure).
    Thus, I've kinda convinced myself that my Comcast is 8Mbps+ type true download and the DirecTV VOD is 3Mbps.

    However, per others in the thread I guess the conclusion I have come to is that either NetFlix, Blockbuster or DirecTV....that "VOD" is a select overnight and watch next day. With my Blockbuster legacy $5 for 2 DVDs/Disc a month in mail this is hard to beat. The only way I would use/pay for VOD is impulse buy and this is based on convenience. Since a "movie" download looks to be a 2Hr+ (even 1:1) download with a play start at ~50% of the download I don't see that being "convenient" or part of an impulse buy for me. Long story short I think I'll stick with my Blockbuster in the mail disc rate.....I'm cheap anyway. :lol:
     
  3. veryoldschool

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    "On Demand" has always been more of an "On request", because unlike Cable, the transfer medium isn't under DirecTV's control.

    Now give that, it looks like your Dan Rather Reports would have taken maybe a 10 min wait, to have enough buffer to start watching it, while the reset downloaded.
    DirecTV really only needs to supply a program at 1:1.
     
  4. hilmar2k

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    Which is exactly what I am getting in my test right now.
     
  5. NR4P

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    Reading this thread, prompted me to give HD a try. Hadn't tried it in a while since I started 12mbps uverse.

    Started the movie 1941, according to the Sony VOD it's HD.
    Waited 1 min after the d/l started, watched for 5 mins solid, no hiccups and my HR20 shows 8 min's downloaded.

    Progress bar is/was yellow the whole time.

    Assuming that the 12mbps is constant (measured at 11.6mbps on speakeasy), I could do this real time. About 2/3 mile from my home, the uVerse copper connects out to to Fiber outside the neighborhood.
     
  6. Centex99

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    I started some downloads today... HD shows off of showtime... they seem very slow maybe 1% a minute and they're only 60 minute shows...
    Its not my internet connection... its hard wired to the router and my speedtest over wireless shows up at 30MB/s...
    Why are their downloads so painfully slow? I'd like to watch a series, but not sure it'll keep up...
     
  7. veryoldschool

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    FWIW: I still think the download rate from DirecTV is at or close to 8 Mb/s, since MPEG4 bitrates vary so much, that a sustained ~ 8 Mb/s should give the results posted above.
     
  8. Centex99

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    Can they upgrade their damn servers??? that's a lot cheaper than upgrading the sats!
     
  9. lesz

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    Living in the middle of nowhere, the fastest internet connection available to me is 4 megabits per second. With that connection, which is pretty steady, I can easily stream 1080i and even 1080p video and watch it in real time from sources like Hulu, Sony Entertainment Network, etc. On the other hand, I can't come close to downloading and watching DIRECTV Video On Demand programming in real time.

    I always figured that the difference was that, with sources like Hulu and the Sony Network, I'm just streaming and the files are not actually being stored on a hard drive. With the DIRECTV on demand programming, however, the file is being stored on the DVR hard drive. I could be mistaken, but I've assumed that those stored files are larger than the files from the video that is just being streamed from other sources.
     
  10. hilmar2k

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    Don't most streaming sources optimize the stream for your download speed?
     
  11. lesz

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    Some do, but others give you the choice of either selecting resolution or to override the recommendation for optimized resolution. At even about 2 megabits per second (steady), 720p or 1080i can be streamed.
     
  12. veryoldschool

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    While it may be streamed at that rate, HD would look like crap on a fair sized screen.
     
  13. veryoldschool

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    Why?
    I'm downloading a SHO HD movie right now, and with my 6 Mb/s the first 15 mins has 11% of a movie that is 1:38 long.

    Another 15 mins and another 11%, so it's 22% @ 30 mins.

    There is no need to really be faster than 1:1, if the customer's connection can support it, but "I'd guess" there are more customers like me, that have 6 Mb/s or less.
     
  14. lesz

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    I don't know about that. I can stream 1080i from, say Hulu or NBC video, and it is streaming at between 2 and 2 1/2 megabits per second. On my 46 inch Sony LED, it looks just like anything that I would be watching at 1080i from DIRECTV. Similarly, I've watched a few movies from the Sony Entertainment Network that I'm pretty sure are 1080p. They stream at between 3 and 3.8 megabits per second, and, again, they look just like DIRECTV's 1080p on demand programming.
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    "I do know" that DirecTV streams off the drive at around 9 Mb/s with peaks above 14 Mb/s.

    The stuff I pull off the net, streaming on the PC doesn't compare, though some also doesn't look "that bad".
     
  16. thekochs

    thekochs DirecTV 10yr+ Customer

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    When I tried to download the origonal movie that started this thread (Mr. Popper Penguins) DTV popped up I could choose 1080P or FastLoad. I chose FastLoad since I can't take advantage of 1080P anyway.....does anyone know what "FastLoad" is ? I assume it is something less than 1080P (1920x1080) but what ?....720P (1280x720) perhaps.

    Just curious.

    FYI...when I downloaded the TV shows above there was no option given....assume they were only encoded in one format.
     
  17. skatingrocker17

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    I have a 30/5 connection through Time Warner Cable and have no problems. Like some above posters say, the HD downloads faster than you can watch it. I'm not sure if they have a limit or not but I will say this for comparisons sake for you.

    I had a 7/1 connection through TWC about 7 months ago and I still had no problems with HD downloads from DTV. It still downloaded faster than I could watch it. There was powerboost though which actually lasts longer than the first 20Mb, I would say it's closer to between 50-100Mb.
     
  18. NR4P

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    Update to my eaerlier post with 12mbps uverse.
    I fully expected to watch this live with 8 mins of the 2hr movie downloaded in 5 mins.
    However 2.5 hours later, the movie is at 95% and it is a 1hr 59min HD movie.
    So something slowed it down dramatically during the last 2 plus hours.

    Directv or my internet? Can't determine why it slowed down.
     
  19. veryoldschool

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    I'm on U-verse [though only their 6 Mb/s service] and while I was downloading and watching this SHO VOD, At the 85% mark, the DVR threw up a message about my network connection. It had two option: "fit it" & fix later. I choose "later", kept watching and the download had turned from green to red, which stayed that way until the end. It finished downloading at the 2 hour 15 min mark, which suggests:
    1) my speed hadn't changed
    2) U-verse switched something on their end
     
  20. NR4P

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    I also noted with mine, before the download was finished, during the last 15 mins d/l of the VOD movie, I had my wired PC go to speakeasy and run a speedtest. The PC showed 8.5mbps while the VOD was runing at 95%.
    About 15 mins after the d/l completed, ran speedtest again and it was back to about 11.5mbps.

    Not sure if I can judge if it was uverse or directv slowing down the d/l.
     

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