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Onkyo x05 receivers and HR20/21

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by gully_foyle, Feb 4, 2008.

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  1. joed32

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    My 705 was able to adjust the timing to fix the sync problem. What we are talking about here is the sound being late restarting after a pause or 30 second skip.
     
  2. rebaztec

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    Have the same issue with the HR20 and 805. I still have a few days left on the 30 day demo period. I've only seen one channel out of sync and that was channel 601 NBA TV. It was pretty bad, at least a half a second or so. That was only once, no delay on last nights Lakers/Nets game. Other than that, I have not seen the delay with BD or HD movies. The audio delay coming back from FF and RW is a pain, but not a deal breaker. The only thing hanging me up is the headphone imbalance. When the Audyssey runs it tweaks all of the speaker settings and for some unknown reason it applies that to the headphone settings as well. I ran the Audyssey once and the headphone was hot on the right, then ran it again and it was hot on the left, but not as much. Used the headphone balance to tweak it...two steps forward and three steps back...

    The reasons I don't send it back are: the value $799(Crutchfield), features at that price point(3 hdmi), TrueHD and DTS MA and 130w per channel sound awesome. It supposedly runs at 9.5 amps, but that isn't totally true, even with the volume cranked up near 0 db, it was only pulling 300-400 watts, instead of twice that. 500 watts with my TV and BD player going at the same time. OK I'm rambling...
     
  3. TigerDriver

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    Get in touch with the Crutchfield salesperson who got the commission on your sale (the name is on your online envoice). Tell him about the issue; you'll get switched to a tech support guy. Ask him to call Onkyo about this issue. I've found them very willing to do stuff like this, mainly because they have have and they have back-door access into support/engineering at many companies.
     
  4. somekevinguy

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    Damn I only paid $698 for a black one at Amazon.
     
  5. CountryBumKin

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    Glad to hear that. I really want to keep the Onkyo - but I am concerned because once the 30day return period expires I will have to keep this reciever for many years.
     
  6. TigerDriver

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    2/6/08:
    Amazon: $615 and free shipping!
    Crutchfield: $649 and free shipping. Crutchfield has 30-day price protection.
     
  7. jbunker

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    I own an Onkyo 605. I experienced the problem of having my receiver's audio "reset" internally under many circumstances (PS3, HR20). What's happened for me was that when going from DolbyDigital format to something else, or by simply making the DolbyDigital format pause when going from my device to the 605, the audio would drop-out and there would be an extended series of audible "clicks" from within my receiver. It sounded like relays opening/closing.

    I stumbles upon a work around when I reassigned my equipment from using the VCR/DVR source button to anything else. MY PROBLEM appears to only happen with this source selection. When I reassigned my HR20, for example, from the VCR/DVR selector to the GAME/TV one, ALL OF MY issues went away. No more audio-drop outs and no more audible "clicks" from within the receiver.

    I'm not certain that this is what all of you are experiencing, but I thought it would be worthwhile to post it... Just in case I was able to help at least one of you.

    PS: Before I found this workaround, I did contact Onkyo. They said that this relay clicking noise was normal and was part of all of their receivers. I switched over from a Denon which NEVER did this, so I didn't belive it was normal.

    PPS: I went to a local Fry's Electronics and folled around with several models of Onkyos there. All of them exhibited this problem on the VCR/DVR input. Go figure!

    :nono2:
     
  8. joed32

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    I really do love the sound of the 705. I have 3 HD DVrs going into it and I switch the out HDMI between 2 HDTVs. Another 2 DVRs with one on Optical and the other on Coax. Everything works great. I'm going to check out the suggestion about assigning audio format types. I have no idea how to do that but I'll poke around the menus.
     
  9. Rage187

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    Keep the 705, absolutely fantastic receiver. It is the center of my entertainment system and works flawlessly with 2 HR20-700's.
     
  10. falz

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    Another 705 owner that's chiming in.. I do also have the issue. Until the other day when I read the thread about the guy with the DD debugger, I assumed that the 705 always had a several second audio lag due to its Dialog Normalization. I was actually surprized and somewhat pleased to find out that its the HR20. I don't use any of my other AV equipment in the same way as a DVR where you would rewind/ffwd/pause/etc, so I assumed that it would affect all inputs.

    For the price of the 705, I can live with it. I got mine for about $600 at a local Circuit City (they sell it for $650 every now and then, and you can get 10% off coupons on ebay for $1). I saw no other receivers within several hundred dollars that had 3 HDMI inputs (I'd still take more!), HDMI 1.3a, and the decoding of the other audio codecs that I dont yet use.

    Theoretically if enough of us complain, perhaps DirecTV will fix the HR20 and it'll be a non-issue? Has anyone in Cutting Edge brought this up? It seems like that would be the most direct line of contact to HR20 developers.
     
  11. smitchell24

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    I have the 805 & an HR-20 too. Playing after pause creates a slight audio delay for me also, but its only a very slight annoyance. I just usually hit the 6 second back button instead of play, after returning from a pause & it becomes a non-issue.

    But I also experience this issue on the 805 when using the Panasonic DMP-BD30 (Blu Ray) & Toshiba A2 (HD-DVD) players.
     
  12. somekevinguy

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    You must be talking the TX-SR705. I was talking the TX-SR805 which is what the guy I quoted was also talking. Also you can get the TX-SR705 for under $600 at other stores delivered and Amazon also has 30 day price protection.
     
  13. digitalfreak

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    FWIW, here's the response I received back from Dolby regarding this issue (I included the thread where one of you guys had done testing with a Dolby meter):

    Hi,

    Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention. We fully test licensees' products for their implementation of our technology but I'm not quite sure if we have any say about their handling of the audio output while the unit is in some mode other than "play". As the thread suggests, the receiver should be outputting NULL or pause data (a proper decoder will treat both types of data the same), so I'm not quite sure what's going on with the DirecTV boxes.

    I'll see if I can find out any info on our end...

    Thanks again,

    -Paul

    Paul Dito
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    Dolby Laboratories
    100 Potrero Ave.
    San Francisco, CA 94103
     
  14. waynebtx

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    I hav had my 805 two weeks now and have had no problems with the dd coming out of pause. Have had no lip syce either. There is about a two sec delay in audio comeing back after a ch change.
     
  15. TigerDriver

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    Thanks for following up on this! Please let us know if you get a response.
     
  16. Mortifer

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    So, is this a problem with the HR21s too?
     
  17. joed32

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    Yes. I use a DVD player and the is no delay with my 705 using that.
     
  18. Mortifer

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    Ok. I have used a Toshiba XA2 and my current Samsung Blueray\HD combo unit have have no issues with my 805 either.
     
  19. TigerDriver

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    As I reported in the Cutting Edge forum, the CE release for the HR-21 {CE: 0x202) appears to have made substantial progress on the DD bug.

    Authors note 3Mar08: I would call this more than progress; in fact, it works better than the HR10-250. I.e., the sounds returns instantaneously.

    Alas, no progress on the HR20-100 {CE: 0x20d}.
     
  20. joed32

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    That is good news!
     
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