Hi all I read the thread about if you don't subscribe to the locals you don't get guide data on the the unit. Here is what I found interesting. I did a search for "charlie" in the search screen because I was looking for something. The search window came up with 6 hits. They were all for channel 12 at 1:00-2:00 pm each day. However, it said "digital service" so I was wondering why it picked those. I switched my TV back to its own tuner and brought up the TV Guide. It just so happens the time slot the VIP622 search window came up with for "charlie" were all for the show "Charlie Rose" on channel 12 at 1:00pm each day. So, apparently, the VIP622 knows what is on the "digital service" OTA channels, it just won't display them if you don't subscribe to local channels. It is getting the information from either the satellite or the PSIP of the channel. I think that is pretty poor of Dish. If I have OTA with good reception, why should I have to subscribe to locals just to get guide data it apparently already knows. I just switched from DirectV to Dish two weeks ago and this is the only bone I have with Dish. I didn't subscribe to locals with Directv and the guide data was still available for OTA channels. I think in this one area, Dish is not being fair to its customers.