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OTA Channel Guide Issues

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Herdfan, Jul 24, 2008.

  1. jamieh1

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    Live well added to 12.2 (missing on guide)WCTI

    Bounce TV added to 8.2 (missing on guide) WFXI

    Bounce TV added to 14.2 (on guide but wrong freq assigned)
     
  2. levibluewa

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    We currently don’t have enough guide capacity to add additional stations to our off-air guide.

    Program Manager- Local Channels
    DIRECTV INC.
     
  3. tzphotos.com

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    That's a pretty sad situation. I wish they at least let us receive the channels, even though there may not be guide info.

    Lame!:mad:
     
  4. Dec 1, 2011 #464 of 694
    tkrandall

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    The thing is, I don't necessarily want/demand guide data for all the OTA stations. I just want my HR20's and AM21's OTA tuners to be able to tune any station it is physically capable of receiving, without needing a database to define the station's existence. No other ATSC OTA tuner implemention is so held captive to an externally downloaded database to to be to physically tune to a channel/subchannel. The OTA stream located on the actual RF channel has all the info needed (virtual channel info, active sub channel definitions, even rudimentary guide info) to provde the device with any channel's specific existence info that is needed. My TVs' ATSC tuners handle this task flawlessly. I don't want to have to split my OTA signal (3 dB loss) so as to have feed both the TV and the AM21.

    As to the guide, simply say "digital service" in the guide if there is no guide data provided. This should not be difficult.

    I do not believe their guide capacity issue is due to inability to add channels (DirecTV adds/revises satellite channels from time to time, name, internal info to "tune" it, etc)) so that the channels are selectable to the user, so I suspect their issue is around the capacity to add all the programming information. I am willing to forego that. Just let me define and/or the device detect available OTA channels so that I can tune a channel whether or not it is in DirecTV's database.
     
  5. Dec 1, 2011 #465 of 694
    levibluewa

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    Then the HR20s must be different than the H20s. I know for Canadian stations you run a scan and it identifies the channel & its listed in the guide..."Regular Schedule" displays. You can tune the channel directly or set a manual recording to an external dvd burner.
     
  6. Dec 1, 2011 #466 of 694
    tzphotos.com

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    I couldn't agree more. I remember my old Tivo was able to pickup all the OTA channels even if there was no guide data available.
     
  7. Dec 3, 2011 #467 of 694
    twiseguy

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    I figured the simplest way for Direct TV to go would be to remove the data for the channels already received by Direct TV satellite. Just leave that info blank. For instance WKYC NBC Cleveland I receive both OTA (3.1) and from Direct (3). Take away the info for 3.1, since it already shows on DTV Ch. 3. They could leave the 3.1 blank, which would open up space for another local OTA not serviced by the AM21 (say Cleveland Antenna TV 8.2). I bet that would open up thousands of slots for everyone all over the country.

    Maybe this is too simple.
     
  8. Dec 4, 2011 #468 of 694
    PrinceLH

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    Too bad that stations would just stop remapping, on OTA channels and start designating the frequencies, that they already use. I get 2 remaps of different channel 2's locally.
     
  9. Dec 4, 2011 #469 of 694
    tkrandall

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    An aside:

    I disagree with the whole virtual channel number thing anyway. The FCC actually REQUIRES by policy/reg stations to use their old analog channel number in their mapping, even channels that don' exist anymore, like channel 69 (an Atlanta station). Eventually there will be stations "cross wired", with each's virtual channel number matching the RF channels the other station is actually using. Per FCC mandate. So stupid.

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1312810

    I would have preferred all stations been required to use their actual physical RF channel name after the digital transition, "rebranding" considerations notwithstanding. So much cleaner.
     
  10. Dec 4, 2011 #470 of 694
    tkrandall

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    Have you noticed if the H20 ever automatically picks up on additional subchannels or subchannel deletions like a normal ATSC tuner does? Some Atlanta market station frequently mess around with their mix.

    I have read on the forum before that only the H20 does scanning. Apparantly DirecTV decided to take a different path with the rollout of the HR20 and subsequent models, (even through my HR20 user manual mentions OTA scanning... :) ) The fact that the H20 does/can scan and display the channel as available in the guide tells me DirecTV could in all likelihood easily allow the same with all the other H and HR receivers. Why they choose not to enable such is beyond my comprehension. :confused:
     
  11. onefunpun

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    Call Sign: WBRC
    Location: Birmingham, AL
    Channel: 6-2
    Issue: Channel missing from HR20 guide
     
  12. Gary Toma

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    funpun,

    Checking the current TPN Map (OTA tab) WBRC / Birmingham shows up just fine. Perhaps a reboot will clear your HR20's brain?
     
  13. ejbvt

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    Maybe if they'd clear out some of the non-existent channels from the stupid database, they'd have more room. For example, both of our local CBS stations here have CBS on the .1 and another channel on the .2, but both have .3's and .4's in the AM21 database.
    WFMY 2.1 CBS
    WFMY 2.2 Weather
    WFMY 2.3 doesn't exist yet AM21 thinks it does
    WFMY 2.4 doesn't exist

    WRAL 5.1 CBS
    WRAL 5.2 ThisTV
    WRAL 5.3 doesn't exist
    WRAL 5.4 doesn't exist

    There are many other subchannels that they have in there that aren't real (at least in my DMAs) yet some are missing. MAKES NO SENSE!!
     
  14. weaver6

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    Washington DC Change:

    9-2 now Bounce
    9-3 added to now be weather radar
     
  15. jamieh1

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    Each NC market can get rid of UNC .5 channels, UNC dropped down to just 3 digital channels. Directv dropped the .4 channel but didnt get rid of the .5

    Also all the ION channel stations dropped a channel last year. There were 4 now only 3.
    (ion, qubo and ion life)
     
  16. ejbvt

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    I kinda wish they had left the .4 (I assume that was the MX channel that is now Time Warner exclusive.) Since I still have the MX channel on QAM, i would like to have a guide for it somewhere! (Of course, I would gladly give it up for legit subchannels!)
     
  17. healthycityboy

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    I live in the Los Angeles area and just got a new DirecTV TiVo receiver. In conjunction with an AM 21 tuner, I am able to get some but not all of the OTA channels I would like to see. For instance, I can pick up KFLA and all it's digital sub channels, but there is no program information in the guide. You have to set up manual recordings, but that is no big deal. I do not pick up THIS TV though. Go figure.
     
  18. tkrandall

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    Horrors! (sarcasm) :sure:

    I would like this option with non-TIVO receivers + the AM21
     
  19. Jan 2, 2012 #479 of 694
    healthycityboy

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    Update: On Friday night I set up a manual recording to record KFLA on Saturday morning. To make sure it was set, I checked my To-Do list and it appeared as scheduled. When I looked in my Now Playing list the next afternoon, it was not there. I checked my Recording History list, it said it was not recorded because the channel was removed from my Channel List. I checked my Channel List and it was listed under channels I receive, although it had an asterisk by it. I checked the manual and the asterisk means there is no guide information available I think that because there is no program guide information, the DVR is not recording. I can view the channel with no problem. Hopefully now that KFLA has got their transmitter problem straightened out, it can provide the necessary info to the TiVo service.
     
  20. Jan 3, 2012 #480 of 694
    twiseguy

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    Cleveland WUAB 43.2 Changed from THIS TV to Bounce TV today.
    Available on AM21, has been since it was THIS TV.

    Cleveland WUAB 43.3 new today (THIS TV), not available on AM21.

    Wasn`t Bounce TV going to be carried by Direct TV?
     

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