Has the OTA antenna upgrade been released? I've been laying low so I haven't heard.
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If I recall correctly, that has been clarified. The four feeds of interest are recorded from that one transponder (per market) not the whole transponder. PTAT has changed from the initial release ... so some things may have been different in the original.scottchez said:I thought Prime Time any time was all based on recording from ONE Transponder all channels, it has nothing to do with recording a set of stations on those stations on that transponder.
A good question ... hopefully the answer will be another question: Why WAS the OTA Tuner sooooo late. Although if it is buggy at release the answer to the new question may be self evident.Now for the big question. Why is the OTA Tuner sooooo late.
The same way the ViPs do it...?"P Smith" said:How easy you're confusing by simple things ...
Let see what channel's lineup would be with a OTA tuner: is someone ready to show me the list ? In that part where is local channels ? How you would ask the buggy FW to distinguish ABC,NBC,etc between sat and OTA? Same time same program, same channel's numbers ...
Ever notice how via satellite locals are listed in the EPG GUI as -00? For example 16-00?P Smith said:How easy you're confusing by simple things ...
Let see what channel's lineup would be with a OTA tuner: is someone ready to show me the list ? In that part where is local channels ? How you would ask the buggy FW to distinguish ABC,NBC,etc between sat and OTA? Same time same program, same channel's numbers ...
XiP is not all that different ... especially compared to ViP 922.P Smith said:XiP is other beast, not old ViP ...
This makes no sense to me at all. What does PTAT have to do with an OTA tuner? We all know PTAT can't work using the OTA tuner because the OTA tuner is a single-channel device. But that does not mean an OTA tuner is useless. As many have pointed out, there are sub channels Dish does not carry, and some people can receive channels from neighboring markets with an antenna that licensing rules prohibit Dish from providing. Personally, I believe I get better picture quality with an antenna than with Dish's HD LiL, though others believe differently."chaney" said:It will conflict with PTAT because PTAT will not support the ability to record OTA as part of its function, thus no OTA, also seeing as I do have inside knowledge and have already had a beta test sent out to my field office to test it and see if it was a viable possibillitiy for the H/J and found the said conflict. I'm sure if cust complain enough about the OTA the software engineers could work out the quirks to allow a OTA to be useful but in all honesty,
Perhaps smart engineers left the company and new 'stupid' replacement (read low-entry) start messing with the integration.Stewart Vernon said:Hmm... so Dish has had integrated OTA for years... then made OTA an optional module for the 722K... then carried that forward with the 922 and brand new GUI... then built the Hopper off the 922 GUI...
and we are to believe that suddenly ALL the Echostar engineers suddenly took stupid pills and forgot everything about integrating OTA into receivers for Dish?
Really?
Are we actually having that conversation?
Why would the integration into the EPG be any different than past implementations? Why would you even want it to be? And why would the PTAT routines that are programmed to look at a particular transponder for SAT signals even care whether you have OTA connected or not?
Because PTA is picking _channels_ from EPG. And it should pick OTA in case if dish is not carry such channel(s).sregener said:This makes no sense to me at all. What does PTAT have to do with an OTA tuner? We all know PTAT can't work using the OTA tuner because the OTA tuner is a single-channel device. But that does not mean an OTA tuner is useless. As many have pointed out, there are sub channels Dish does not carry, and some people can receive channels from neighboring markets with an antenna that licensing rules prohibit Dish from providing. Personally, I believe I get better picture quality with an antenna than with Dish's HD LiL, though others believe differently.
I would side with a knowledge from 23 years old customer, than from some old poster here who is know how to switch channel and record some events.patmurphey said:The 23 year old "expert" is a DirecTV customer and says he is a Dish installer. We have all experienced some of that knowledge base. I think I'll pass on chaney's assertions.
No. PTAT is picking _programs_ from the the transponder that provides the big four LiL, and copying those programs to the PTAT folder. It is not able to record 4 different transponders, because the Hopper only has three tuners, which can only select programming from 3 transponders. Dish is working some magic to make the Hopper record 4 programs from the same transponder at the same time. The only way Dish could provide PTAT with OTA is for the OTA tuner module to have 4 tuners, not the one they've decided the Hopper will get. Thus, it stands to reason that "we all know" PTAT will not work with the OTA module, because the "magic" that permits PTAT to work on satellite will not also work on broadcast systems, vis a vis recording 4 streams with a single tuner.P Smith said:Because PTA is picking _channels_ from EPG. And it should pick OTA in case if dish is not carry such channel(s).
"We all know" is not right aggregation.
That's a dangerous and libelous statement. Even if you have inside knowledge that you aren't sharing with the rest of us... I wouldn't say something like that as a blanket statement about current employees of any company.P Smith said:Perhaps smart engineers left the company and new 'stupid' replacement (read low-entry) start messing with the integration.
Says who? How do you know what PTAT is doing? Putting aside for the moment that I do not believe you are in any way correct with your assertion... on what are you basing this?P Smith said:Because PTA is picking _channels_ from EPG. And it should pick OTA in case if dish is not carry such channel(s).
"We all know" is not right aggregation.
Whoa, your response is a little over the top Stewart. It's just one guy's opinion. He wasn't even making an assertion, he stated: "Perhaps..." There is such a thing as freedom of speech after all.Stewart Vernon said:That's a dangerous and libelous statement.
It's just [well known] one of dirty PR methods to bring down your opponent when you have nothing to say factually.Reaper said:Whoa, your response is a little over the top Stewart. It's just one guy's opinion. He wasn't even making an assertion, he stated: "Perhaps..." There is such a thing as freedom of speech after all.
It's definitely best not to feed the trolls.P Smith said:It's just [well known] one of dirty PR methods to bring down your opponent when you have nothing to say factually.
I'm skipping his buffonades and escapades as a miniscule noise of moscitos around CPU inside of a computer ... hehe
Is that not what YOU are doing with your consistent insults of DISH engineers?P Smith said:It's just [well known] one of dirty PR methods to bring down your opponent when you have nothing to say factually.
See, Reaper, here another [now more subtle] PR trick: skew from technical standpoint of discussion ["Can you tell us which firmware version first could actively use a USB tuner?"] to create negative perception of the opponent - add some negativity to the person: "From your hacking".James Long said:Is that not what YOU are doing with your consistent insults of DISH engineers?
Just dirty statements insulting people you don't know about work you don't know much about?
From your hacking (not signal theft, just old school hacking) you told us months ago which tuner the Hopper would support. Can you tell us which firmware version first could actively use a USB tuner? Or can I add that to the list of things you don't know?
P Smith is saying maybe all the smart people left... and the only ones left are stupid.Reaper said:Whoa, your response is a little over the top Stewart. It's just one guy's opinion. He wasn't even making an assertion, he stated: "Perhaps..." There is such a thing as freedom of speech after all.
I'm sorry, but what?P Smith said:It's just [well known] one of dirty PR methods to bring down your opponent when you have nothing to say factually.
I'm skipping his buffonades and escapades as a miniscule noise of moscitos around CPU inside of a computer ... hehe