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Owners find it rough going at El Dorado restaurant

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Mark Holtz, Mar 8, 2011.

  1. James Long

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    I normally do as well ... although I travel well beaten paths and know where I can go.

    If the business wanted to run as a McDonalds they would get a franchise. They are probably doing well as an slightly upscale coffee shop. Why should they be forced in to operating a business that they do not want to operate? Taking advantage of an opportunity is fine ... but they should not be forced to change their business to fit the desires of the masses. Their business needs to remain their choice.

    I wonder what it would cost to put a port-a-pot at the far end of the parking lot? Or if it would even be allowed under zoning?
     
  2. veryoldschool

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    If you checkout their menu, there is nothing about "an upscale coffee shop", there. :nono:
    Maybe if they added takeout pieces of pizza they could offer something for those "quick stop" types.

    I haven't been defending the motorists, but instead have been looking into "the why".
    Human nature & needs shouldn't be overlooked.
     
  3. Stuart Sweet

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    I'm not advocating forcing them to change their business model. I just wonder why they see this as a nuisance instead of an opportunity. I don't know, maybe sell candy and gum at the register or something. Maybe post the daily specials up above the urinal. I'm just saying maybe there's some way he could profit from this.
     
  4. James Long

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    They shouldn't have to. Being forced to provide a service isn't good.
     
  5. Davenlr

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    Personally, I would put a pay toilet paper dispenser in the bethrooms. Either drop a quarter and wipe, or your ride back will be with the windows open. Problem solved.
     
  6. Richard King

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    Maybe a name change is in order. When I was in college I read Dante's Inferno. I don't know if I would name a restaurant Dante's. :) What circle of hell awaits those who would mess up Dante's parking lot?
     
  7. Stuart Sweet

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    No one's forcing anyone. But look at it this way. People are not going to stop asking to use the restroom. May as well be hospitable about it. I think in life there are battles that are simply not worth fighting and if you're the first restaurant after a 30 mile stretch without so much as a shoulder to pull off onto, you're going to get people with small bladders who plan poorly. You can make a big stink (no pun intended) in the local paper or you can find a way to profit from it while still keeping your core business and not looking like a jerk.
     
  8. James Long

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    It is a public problem, it needs to have a public solution.

    This has to be affecting the core business. I certainly wouldn't want to eat in a hallway leading to an overused restroom. Perhaps they can just close the business and move to a "better" location - depriving the community of the core food service they are trying to provide.
     
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    Rather than get into protracted legal cases or fistfights, they could rent one of these from a service and place it appropriately and put up a sign that points folks to it:

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    Yeah, I know it costs money.
     
  10. BattleZone

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    Actually, it's pretty far from "problem solved."

    The problem here isn't strictly limited to people who have to pee. You have drunk a-holes who puke everywhere, trashy people who leave soiled diapers and presumably other things in the bathroom, etc. In other words, it's nearly creating a full-time job to have someone clean and reclean the bathroom, and virtually none of it for the restaurant's actual customers, but rather for random motorists who feel entitled to make a mess wherever.

    I'm sure most folks here would have trouble making it through a single day of maintaining such a restroom. Imagine having to do it EVERY day...
     
  11. Shades228

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    Easy solution would be to put in a gate and charge for parking. Diners could get a voucher that lets them out. $10 an hour sounds about right for most public parking garages.
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    That might work... as long as they can advertise successfully to their dining customers, so that they aren't turned off when they first see the sign and have to go through the mechanisms for the new parking structure.
     
  13. veryoldschool

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    Look at the photo of their lot. I don't think there is enough room to have it gated. It looks more like you pull off the road and straight into the parking slot.
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  14. Rich

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    That's probably the only rational solution to the problem. Hire someone dedicated to keeping the restrooms clean.

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  15. James Long

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    Hmm ... an armed guard with a visible weapon. Good idea. :D
     
  16. Rich

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    I gotta admit I'm puzzled by that very small parking area. Great pictures, by the way!

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    The first thing I would have looked at was the parking facilities. The sign concerning the restrooms would have been a signal that something was wrong. After that, it's just a matter of having an accountant go over the books. Amazing how stupid some people can be. What a relief it must have been for the sellers.:)

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  18. Stuart Sweet

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    I don't know, the more I think about it the more I just think this owner is whining. The article says there was a "no public restrooms" sign when he bought it... maybe he should have thought about why that sign was there.
     
  19. Rich

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    Pretty upscale menu for that location. Not bad prices, but nothing on it that doesn't take time to make. They'd probably be better off selling burgers and beer. At least on the side somewhere. All you need is a grill.

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  20. veryoldschool

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    I don't know this guy and haven't been in his area for some time.
    I read his website and live in an area not all that different.
    These are the thoughts that come to mind:
    This place was vacant for 10 years and with a local population of around 5,000, I can't see this offering the community a core food service.
    This couple moved there from Tracy, which isn't that far from Silicon Valley [in fact has become a suburb of it]. Pollock Pines may not be the exact opposite, but it must be darn close.
    Their website looks to be trying to pull customers from Tahoe & Sacramento to fine Northern Italian dinning, only an hour drive away.
    This isn't a bad dream or idea, and is fairly common around here. There are many "flat landers" that come up here and try to start a business. Few seem to last though, as they don't seems to know the market. This is where I think this couple is failing. They seem to be trying to impose a change to the local situation/condition, as opposed to adapting to it.
     

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