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PAC-12 and DISH have deal

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by DC_SnDvl, Sep 8, 2012.

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  1. tonyd79

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    We often disagree but on this we are in 100% agreement. I will add that since this is sports and this is being done by schools and teams that folks are fans of, they will side with them because they are, well, fans.

    The more I think of it, the more I am certain that you hit it that the issue is the commercial accounts. For private accounts, the deal Dish got is probably totally acceptable to DirecTV, even without the advertising althought that sweetened the pot for sure. I cannot see Dish selling out for PAC 12 under any circumstances. But what is different and very big to DirecTV is the bar and restaurant (and hotel) trade. That is huge.

    We pretty much know that individual customers are not the driving force behind the purchase and pricing of Sunday Ticket; That bars and restaurants are. So much so that DirecTV dropped the price to individuals this year. Seems that PAC 12 would be in the same boat.
     
  2. tonyd79

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    Or it just failed.

    Maybe another failed strategem by the PAC 12. Which AD will make a video next?

    Sorry, but the PAC 12 approach has been just this side of Viacom thus far. They've done everything except frighten children.
     
  3. kick4fun

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    I was being facetious. It doesn't matter.. I am a fan, you are right.. I think there are a lot of Directv fan boys here.. What happened to the days of Earl and his Directv reports? GONE.. This has turned sour and I'm mad! I want Pac12.. Please no suggestions of moving on etc.. I know what I can do.. I also know I can speak out, which I have.
     
  4. inkahauts

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    Actually,most propel aren't going to get to bent out of shape for a few games, but as the season wears n and basketball starts, this will become a bigger issue that people will start being more annoyed with. I think it will let worse the longer it goes, not better, for DIRECTV.

    Now with dish carrying he channels, sat subs have another option, which wasn't there until last Friday.
     
  5. kick4fun

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    100% AGREED
     
  6. donm

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    You might be right about the commercial accounts. If Directv was wanting to carry the Pac 12 Network at all I just don't see the deal getting any better then what Dish got. I'm positive Dish didn't get taken on this deal either. The only thing I can think of that would hold up the deal is how much the Pac 12 wants for the commercial account business. If it isn't that then I doubt there ever will be a deal. Neither side is going to give away their product or bandwidth.

    I do see a lot of people on this forum that thinks Directv can do no wrong. I even like Directv the best of any of the providers I have ever had and I have had a lot in many different areas. I still would guess both sides have to be part of the problem. I'm guessing though if it isn't the commercial business it is hard for me to see the problem with the Pac 12.
     
  7. tonyd79

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    You said something earlier, I think, that needs correcting. I don't think ANYONE here that likes sports doesn't want the PAC 12 network. I know I want it. It is just that we understand that what we want is not the only driving factor.

    It is harder if you are a fan of one the schools that you may not get some games of you that you could get elsewhere or, worse, could get before.

    At the same time, those of us who are not fans of specific PAC 12 teams per se don't want the farm given away for the PAC 12. We want it but we want it reasonably.

    I was sort of accused of not wanting the channel(s) when I proposed doing exactly what the Dish deal is. I would be happy with that deal. But I also understand that for some reason, the deal the PAC 12 has offered DirecTV doesn't work for DirecTV. I do not think that DirecTV is evil (nor is Dish; Comcast may be another story...haha) and they are not stupid. Something is not right about the deal.

    Then I look at the PAC 12. They have made misstep after misstep in this setup. Understandable, this is a new business to them. They did try to force all seven channels originally, no matter what they may say now, as they did not understand the difference between cable and satellite (and no way would Mike White specifically say they were not carrying all seven as a reason why they had not reached an agreement; that would be nonsensical otherwise).

    Then I look at who has been planning this whole thing with the PAC 12. Ah, cable companies. Somehow that makes me uncomfortable with any plans for satellite. Cable companies do not see each other as compeitition because there is little geographic overlap. They do see satellite as competition. More specifically, they see DirecTV as competition. So, they help devise a system that plays to their strengths and not to satellites and, specifically, not to DirecTV's.

    Now we see PAC 12 strategems that are all circus and no substance. If they really have a situation that makes them a good buy, tell us. Don't use a twitter campaign. Don't try a denial of service protest (yes, that is exactly what they tried). Don't have stunts like an AD make a Comcast video.

    In short (too late), the PAC 12 looks like amateurs with no track record to show that they are not messing up while DirecTV, who has few true disputes with channels, is fresh off of what the industry thought was a brilliant strategy with Viacom.

    Who do I believe in a situation like that?

    Of course, if I were a Stanford or Oregon or Utah or USC fan, I might feel differently. But then I would be a legitimate fanboy and it would be understandable.
     
  8. tonyd79

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    Yes, although there could be other details. Dish's deal matches their deal with BTN in terms of packages, etc. DirecTV's deal with BTN is more costly as they have it in all packages (and maybe they want to change that when it is up next time, who knows).

    Also, Dish seems to want to bundle advertising with deals that DirecTV doesn't seem to do as much of.

    However, those things are less likely to me than the commercial numbers.
     
  9. kick4fun

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    Finally, something I can read and agree with. You're right about perhaps the deal just isn't right and the Pac12 may be trying to force the hand.. You may be onto something about the commercial accounts, something I hadn't thought about before. Well, this certainly has been interesting. I think I will take a step back and just wait patiently. Like I mentioned before, I'm not dumping Directy because they don't have it yet.. I leave that for the others! Thank you for a civil discourse.
     
  10. tonyd79

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    Give the credit to Marteen on the commerical idea. He came up with it first, I think.

    No reason to not be civil. This isn't about trashing your favorite team or as important as the economy and war. It is a discussion about what can and should be done and what is happening. We do not have inside information on this. We can only read tea leaves.

    The only misstep that I see (and you got a bit roasted for) is one of not realizing the impact of what on the surface sounded like a cool idea this morning. For that, I fault you not one bit. You just didn't see it and were just trying to be helpful.
     
  11. TheRatPatrol

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    If this is all about money wouldn't it be better for the Pac 12 to make some money from D* then no money at all?
     
  12. James Long

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    An update for those not following the DISH side ... Today DISH adjusted the EPG on the HD channel. PAC12 will be "game only" HD (similar to every other RSN on DISH except BIG10).
     
  13. tonyd79

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    At some point, yes.

    For now, they think they can pressure directv into a deal on their terms.
     
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    That doesn't sound good. But having the game in HD with everything else in SD is better than nothing (directv)
     
  15. donm

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    If Directv adds the Pac 12 Network I sure hope they make it a full time HD channel. I would hate to watch the replays in SD but like the poster above me said it is better then nothing.
     
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  18. Laxguy

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    Definitely two sides here, and considerations that are more than just carriage fees.

    I have been very active since I joined a couple of years ago, and read several times a day, almost every thread of even vague intent on addressing equipment, programming or procedures. There are not a lot of people who post as if DIRECTV® can do no wrong. Maybe three or four. There are a lot who are loyal to the company and its employees, and who speak strongly in defense of it, but they're not fanbois in my book. And many people here, of any stripe, will rear back and punch if attacked.
     
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