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PAC-12 and DISH have deal

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by DC_SnDvl, Sep 8, 2012.

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  1. fleckrj

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    I hope Larry Scott is finally willing to accept what DirecTV offers the PAC 12 to carry the network.
     
  2. WebTraveler

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    Why? We can leave for Dish. When I get back from a business trip it's time to get serious about this. By then Mike White will have had every opportunity to deal with this.

     
  3. Shades228

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    I think that DIRECTV and DISH have to start changing their business model slightly and start putting pressure on cable companies. Most cable companies do not compete with each other directly. They have an affiliation they all belong to. They have a "brotherhood" per se and can make deals easier between each other as they don't compete.

    Sports is DIRECTV's bread and butter and because of this sports pricing has increased astronomically. It might be time to show how much of a "bubble" this tv economy has become much like the housing markets. Are these sports brands really worth this much money? I think in the next 5 years we're going to find out. Cable companies are playing the exclusive card and ultimately the pipers will have to be paid.

    I have a feeling this bubble is going to be more explosive than the housing bubble.
     
  4. BusterAvis

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    And with USC losing to Stanford tonight, this was the better result for this deal to get done between Pac-12 and DirecTV by Friday of this week (even though most people think the opposite). Here's why ....

    The "ONLY" way this deal gets done, is if one side (Pac-12 or DirecTV) caves in. And we know DirecTV is not going to cave in. They want to stand tall against these conferences and their networks. This is essentially negotiating against the SEC, ACC (with Notre Dame), Big 12, etc. as well, in addition to just the Pac-12. How the end result goes for this negotiation sets the tone for the future results with those conferences. DirecTV does not want to back down, no matter how many customers they lose. It's about their bottom line (shareholder value, pricing, and profit margin per customer), not net gain/loss apparently with conference network impact.

    Therefore, the one way this deal gets done is if the Pac-12 caves in.
    And if USC would have beaten Stanford, then the Pac-12 would have been too over-confident that they could get DirecTV to cave in. Now that USC vs. Cal is a "meh" game all of a sudden compared to what it would have been, the Pac-12 conference is feeling down about their leverage. They know there is internal pressure to get this deal done. They've already got 4 of the Top 5 carriers on board. And not everyone (most in fact) will not switch from DirecTV to Dish. So close to half (or more than half) of their national fans will still not get the network. Therefore, the Pac-12 should cave in at this point. Will they? Maybe not. But their attempts have not succeeded with DirecTV. And Pac-12 fans are going to turn the table and get ticked at them (the Pac-12 conference and their elites including Larry Scott) if they don't eventually cave in soon. Because quite frankly, their last chance to get any half-way favorable deal (not what they wanted still) to fall into their lap with DirecTV, is to get it done by Friday. After that, DirecTV will probably lower their offer themselves, knowing that the Cal vs. USC game has passed by. And not even that game now has the meaning it once had anyways, so really, Pac-12 needs to just cave in this week. Or else, it won't be on DirecTV for at least 340+ days (Sept. 1 of next year).

    Simply put, there is no chance DirecTV will cave in at this point.
    They don't want to look like a flip-flopper, and they've stood this tall now, why would they quit that?
    I don't see enough Cal fans calling in. And USC fans are feeling down in the dumps as well.
    If there's ever a week where USC fans say "fuggit, the season is over", it's this week.
    Believe me, I know that feeling after a heartbreaking loss, it can take the 2nd game afterwards before you are ecstatic again.
     
  6. BetterThanMost

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    A game with much less national implication after tonight. Less impetus for DTV to get a deal done by next Sat.
     
  7. BusterAvis

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    It's not on DirecTV to get the deal done now.
    There is not enough pressure on them to care.
    It's up to the Pac-12 to change their offer, and make it work now.
    The Pac-12 needs DirecTV more than DirecTV needs the Pac-12 (especially with Dish choosing not to carry the Big Ten Network).

    The only way this deal gets done now, is for Pac-12 to lower their demands (change the offer, essentially cave in a bit - to DirecTV).
    DirecTV is the mega-giant. Pac-12 Networks is simply a start-up business.
     
  8. Mariah2014

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    The pac 12 and Directv have already passed that point. I think most who are going to switch or take on a second provider have already done so. Directv knew the pressure was going to go down pretty quickly. It has and as a result I doubt a deal will get done tell the pac 12 comes down to what ever offer Directv wants. I also believe the fact they are far apart and once were close to a deal shows they are further apart now then they were. Directv has probably already started to change their offer in the opposite direction. The question is now will the pac 12 cave shortly or will we wait 1 to 2 years for the network. I know one thing forsure and that is I won't be missing any more pac 12 games and will drop dish network once the network is added and a certain amount of time has passed.
     
  9. BusterAvis

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    ALERT TO PAC-12 CONFERENCE: THE PRESSURE on DIRECTV THING IS NOT GOING TO WORK. IT'S CONCLUSIVE NOW - IT'S ALREADY FAILED.

    Pac-12 needs to change their strategy.

    And the twitter campaign was a joke.
    You can tell who the virgins are (between DirecTV and Pac-12 conference leaders) in negotiating for carriage.
     
  10. BusterAvis

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    Yeah, and it's stupid if Pac-12 waits a year or two to strike a deal with DirecTV. It would be much better to cave in now, than to try to get an extra nickel and dime two years from now from DirecTV. The total lost money from holding out that long far exceeds the loss now by caving in at this point. We'll see how stupid or smart Larry Scott is this week. I would feel more confident if he were an older guy. He may just show how young, ignorant, non-wise, and how emotional he is this week, by putting his ego, emotions, and pride above thinking with his head this week. We'll see which route he chooses. The young and dumb route, or the let's still make a wise business deal route, even though we won't get exactly what we wanted, we still have the ability to find a compromise route. The latter strategy, is what he needs to show fans he cares about them, and to show that he's not an innocent young punk that is thinking about making decisions based on his emotions instead of his brain. He needs to do what's best for the conference and the conference fans, more so than for his ego. Can he "reach across the aisle" and help get this deal done? Or is he just a young punk that thinks with his fist instead of his brain. We'll see if he chooses mind over muscle. So far, he's gone with all muscle, by choosing to attack and verbally assault DirecTV, looking like the young spoiled child in the process.
     
  11. Mariah2014

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    Once Dish network had the channel longer than a week, the pressure on Directv went down and not up. As a result, those who didn't have an option before on the most part now had an option and made what changes they needed to. I waited on the one with Versus with Charter and Charter cost me a lot more than dish network is costing me.
     
  12. sum_random_dork

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    According to the reports I have read tonight, the offer is on the table with DirecTV. It's the same deal as Dish, give the channel to the local markets and then put into sports pack for outer areas with an overflow channel offered. Larry Scott met with a lot of the local and nat'l media tonight at the Stanford USC Game and they all seemed to have the same question for him..........when will The Pac12 and DirecTV have a deal. He said they remained hopeful that a deal would be worked out, but at this point the odds were not in the favor of DirecTV/Pac12 having it done.

    The big key here is this is the first game USC has had on the PAC12, with the Nat'l following of USC more pressure will be put on. I am sure in both Nor Cal and So Cal we'll have radio/TV ads saying if you want to see the USC/Cal game you'll need to have Pac 12 networks.
     
  13. Mariah2014

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    That won't be enough pressure. The fact they are this far into the season already and the fact that most people know they are not close and it doesn't look good has resulted in the movement your going to see from people already. They may put adds up, but even the twitter/ facebook campaign had limited success and due to rules on those social networking sites they are able slow those types of things down quickly.
     
  14. BusterAvis

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    Yep. And again, the pressure thing is not going to work.
    It has already flopped for them.
     
  15. donm

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    You people are kidding yourself if you think a deal is getting done because the Pac 12 is going to give some super deal just for Directv. If a deal gets done it is going to be almost the same as Dish. The Pac 12 might give up something minor but that is all. I'm not as optimistic as I was a week ago of a deal getting done. It still could get done but I'm guessing now not until next year just before the football season. I could also see it never getting done. It actually might be in the best interest of Directv. Directv will lose customers slowly but also game customers from Dish to offset the loses.
     
  16. BusterAvis

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    Which is exactly why Pac 12 should cave in.
    A caved in deal, is still a better deal for Pac-12, than to not have a deal at all. One is lost additional opportunity revenue, the other is just flat-out loss of all revenue.
    Would you rather have partial revenue from millions of subscribers (from DirecTV) or no revenue from them at all?
     
  17. Mariah2014

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    I think what you will see change by then will be that the Pac 12 will allow people to purchase the content through their website and bypass the TV providers. If the pac 12 caves to Directv's demands they will be allowing a slippery slope to begin happening. This would result in all sports not on regular stations or ESPN Networks to be in a sports pack and not part of your base package unless it is some type of everything package. However, I do believe that will happen anyway in the long run due to player salaries and the cost of sports tv rights. Only some cable tv providers may leave those networks in the base packages because I have no doubt that some of the companies will move RSN's they don't own to sports pack type packages.
     
  18. donm

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    No it is not! You still have a few other deals to get done: Charter, ATT, Fios and giving Directv a great deal would end up costing Pac 12 a lot more and cause big trouble with their Network going forward. You have to worry about all the 40 providers you already signed to a deal with costs similar to Dish. Scott is very smart and has already gotten enough providers to give 20-30 million per year to each school. If they signed the other 3-4 bigger providers they wouldn't even need Directv. It would be great if they could get Directv but not if they would lose money on their other deals. Some of those deals like Comcast etc might even have wording that would lower their cost if someone got a lot better deal.
     
  19. Mariah2014

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    I bet that is the case, especially with the original four.
     
  20. donm

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    They can't do that because of the 40 some contracts already signed. I'm almost positive the Pac 12 with at least the top providers like Comcast, Dish etc makes sure that the only people that can stream the games are ones that have already purchase the Pac 12 Network from them. Streaming is a big worry for providers and they will make sure that The Pac 12 can't by pass them after paying all the money to carry the network.
     
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