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PAC 12 Network Added (was For fans of the PAC12, plz request PAC12 Network)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by pmjones, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. James Long

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    You also said Chicago DMA ... which most certainly includes Hammond, IN. I figured you'd try to redefine and squirm out of it.

    The point is, there are places where DISH's $49.99 package includes RSNs that DirecTV does not include. Perhaps not your place ... but your claim made earlier in the thread is false and I thank you for acknowledging that in your post.

    Perhaps you should learn more about DISH carriage before coming into a DISH forum and spouting off about it? Channel 418 on DISH (channel 412-08 on the Hopper) is FOXMW ... the main FSMidwest feed.

    When there is content on FSIndiana (such as a Pacers game) it appears on one of the Alternate channels. DISH does not have permanent separate channels set aside for the subdivisions of the regional FS feeds.

    On DISH, one would find that content on the FSMidwest channel or an Alternate channel (most likely on an alternate channel).
     
  2. dishrich

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    Well as a current DISH sub for quite some time...thank you for pointing out something I was well aware of. :rolleyes:

    AND as part of that process, if the primary feed on 418 would be showing prog blacked out in a given area - such as a Cardinal game that would NOT be shown in your Hammond, IN zip code 46320, it WOULD be blacked out - per MLB blackout rules. (unless you're planning on telling me that DISH doesn't have to abide by those rules :rolleyes: )

    Just in case, here's an MLB blackout map; it's VERY clear that Hammond, IN is NOT in the home broadcast area for any FSN Midwest MLB teams:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MLB_Blackout_Areas.png

    The point is, when DISH's website says you qualify for FSN Midwest - they do NOT qualify that with which specific "programs" (ie: sports teams) you will see on that said "primary channel". Obviously, it WILL be blacked out in some instances - but you already know (all) this, right? :p

    And (again) in this case of zip 46320...for all we know, other than (possibly) the IN Pacers, there's probably NOT much, if any, pro content these particular FSN Midwest subs will actually get from DISH. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one...

    Since there are actually 2 FSN Ohio feeds, it would not be on the FSN Midwest feed whatsoever.
     
  3. James Long

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    Based on your inaccurate portrayal of the facts it was not obvious. :eek2:
    I thought you had left DISH and just had an unfortunate handle from the past. :grin:


    As I said:
    On DISH, one would find that content on the FSMidwest channel or an Alternate channel (most likely on an alternate channel).

    Even without an explicit FS Cincy channel on DISH the content is still available to subscribers via the alternate channels.
     
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    Dish has an opportunity to look mighty good here. Don't blow it "E".
     
  6. sigma1914

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    If DirecTV won't add it, you really think Dish would? No chance.
     
  7. James Long

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    It all depends on the deal. Personally I believe it is the alternate channels that are squashing the deal.
     
  8. Stewart Vernon

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    That's what it sounds like to me... Big Ten has one channel + part-time alternates for game only... sounds like PAC-12 wanted a bunch of full-time channels and that ultimately killed the DirecTV deal.

    As I said in another thread... the days of DirecTV just giving in are over... they are fighting back now too, and it will be good for everyone!
     
  9. nmetro

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    Our local Comcast system picked up the main Big 12 Channel and PAC 12 Rocky Mountain.

    PAC 12, unlike BTN, has a national channel. However, they also have a channel for Washington, Oregon, Northern California, Southern California, Arizona and Colorado/Utah. This means, a national carrier like DISH or DirecTV needs to carry all seven PAC 12 channels. They are all 24x7 channels, which means one will fill up most of one HD transponder just with PAC 12 networks. And if they offer SD, that is 14 channels. This is very expensive for satellite space. Either the provider DirecTV or DISH has to make room by dropping channels or they have to add capacity.

    BTN, as pointed out above, only has one full time channel, and borrows from the HD "pool" for alternate games. But, it is truly one 24x7 channel; two if you count SD.

    PAC 12, I think, created an impossible model for national satellite carriers. Yes, they could use spot beams for the regional channels, but I suspect PAC 12 wants to use satellite to cover all 50 states regardless of where PAC 12 fans live.
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    Yeah, the more I read, the more insane it is... I don't know what the PAC-12 was thinking that they were going to get Dish and DirecTV to dedicate 1 or even 2 transponders just to them... even at "the right price" that wouldn't make sense, and I gather that's what ultimately made it a non-starter with DirecTV... it doesn't sound like they really drilled to price negotiations since they couldn't get past the number of dedicated full-time channels that the PAC-12 wanted.

    And people think ESPN is bad!

    Hopefully the PAC-12 will re-think this and offer Dish and DirecTV something like the Big Ten offers with 1 national full-time channel + alternate feeds for game-only overlap.
     
  11. Sep 1, 2012 #112 of 240
    WazzuCougs

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    I've been trying to keep up with the status of the Pac-12 Network on Facebook a little bit. The agreement--albeit a short-term one--with the Big Ten is a good sign. I felt if Dish completely abandoned the Big Ten there would be no way it would be adding the Pac-12. Although keeping the Big Ten also does not guarantee an addition of the Pac-12, it's still a positive sign.

    Anyway, this is one of the posts from a CSR I read on Dish's Facebook page today. It's a much different tone than what the CSRs had been posting:

    "We understand the importance of college football and see the value in the games the Pac-12 will provide DISH customers. Which is why we are working hard to come to an agreement and finalize a deal with the Pac-12." -Tommy F

    I like the sounds of that!!!!
     
  12. Sep 1, 2012 #113 of 240
    James Long

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    The "multiple channel" thing with PAC-12 needs to be sorted out. DISH currently has 24 slots for RSNs in HD. BTN takes up an additional slot with their 24/7 channel. Allowing BTN to consume up to four more slots occasionally when there is conflicting content is a burden, but those up to four channels are available for other channels during the rest of the week.

    Asking for multiple 24/7 channels is a greater burden. Perhaps PAC-12 will be able to pick one as the 24/7 feed and open up the others only when games are airing. It would still cut into the 24 HD RSNs available but it would not cost DISH a complete transponder for a single network.

    Channels need to look at it from DISH's perspective. Not only is it costing DISH the fee the content owner wants for carriage, it is costing DISH space on the satellites. Think of it as a 25-30k per month investment in each channel they carry in HD. Roughly a quarter of a cent per subscriber for a channel at AT200 available nationwide, but for a regional channel the "per subscriber" shoots up (and for multiple channels the "per subscriber" multiplies by "per channel"). Plus the use of limited space for PAC-12 channels makes it harder to add other HD channels.
     
  13. Sep 1, 2012 #114 of 240
    fudpucker

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    Um - there's no bursting of bubbles. When I moved here 3 years ago, with DirectTV (which I'd had since 1995) Dish offered more regional sports packages than DirectTV. DirectTV at the time also did not offer the local networks at all. So I switched to Dish. When I commented on how happy I was with Dish's regional coverage and that it was better than what I'd gotten on DirectTV, it was just a comment that Dish does well here, in the same thread in which I'd criticized Dish, not meant to be a "DirectTV SUX!!!! Dish RULEZ!!!" DirectTV now offers the same regional sports in my area that Dish does? Cool.
     
  14. Sep 1, 2012 #115 of 240
    Stewart Vernon

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    Yeah... PAC-12 trying to have 7 full time channels and claiming they only want what the Big-Ten has is borderline insane! It is one thing if this stuff grew over time... but to come right out of the gate wanting so many full time channels...

    Hopefully DirecTV kicking them to the curb will force them to re-think and re-structure so that 1 full-time + alternates will be acceptable.
     
  15. Sep 1, 2012 #116 of 240
    Gloria_Chavez

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    Does anyone know if the Big-10 asked for multiple channels when it began the BTN?

    You would think it would have asked for them, as there's little downside. At worst, the PayTv carrier would have responded it that it does not offer multiple channels to NCAA sports leagues. At best, the carrier would have responded affirmatively.
     
  16. Sep 2, 2012 #117 of 240
    Jim5506

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    I believe one fulltime channel per conference is more than fair, they do not have that much to offer on a fulltime basis that is interesting to anyone other than the rabid.
     
  17. Sep 2, 2012 #118 of 240
    WazzuCougs

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    Basketball season will be here before we know it. It would be hard to get the games from all 12 teams on one channel.
     
  18. Sep 2, 2012 #119 of 240
    Stewart Vernon

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    You missed the point. Alternate game-only feeds are sometimes necessary and would be wanted. But those feeds wouldn't need to be full-time channels to cover the games.
     
  19. Sep 3, 2012 #120 of 240
    WazzuCougs

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    Oh, o.k. I see what you mean now. Too bad the Pac-12 didn't use your foresight. I understand what it was attempting to do, but I think it created more problems for itself.
     

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