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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Aug 14, 2013 #501 of 2911
    Bambler

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    The article clearly mentions Sunday Ticket as a leveraging tool. And while it hasn't been mentioned very often in the Pac-12 discussion thread, I believe it is a factor in regards to DirecTV wanting to pay less for the Pac-12 Network than even cheapskate Dish (which will never happen if there was a most favored nation clause written into the existing contracts with the Pac-12 Network and other providers).

    I wonder if DirecTV's decision to yank Sunday Ticket off of external platforms has anything to do with this as it just occurred to me that had it continued, people could cancel, move to other providers and still get Sunday Ticket. Maybe?

    In any case, I love how DirecTV's tone has changed, now saying that they are willing to pay more, whereas I read an article earlier more or less stating the opposite.

    Regardless, the NFL is going to get paid more, a lot more, whether it's from DirecTV alone or from many others and I believe we'll NEVER see the Pac-12 Network on DirecTV, ever.
     
  2. Aug 14, 2013 #502 of 2911
    fleckrj

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    This is definitely shows that the PAC 12 is more interested in damaging DirecTV than they are in the money. It costs a lot of money to mount such an aggressive ad campaign. If the PAC 12 was only interested in the money, they would have been better off using that money to drop the price they are demanding from DirecTV instead of spending it on an ad campaign to try to harm DirecTV. The PAC 12 must get their PR advice from the same place as the politicians do. Bad mouth the opposition instead of promoting yourself. It is bad for politics, and it is worse for business.
     
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  3. Aug 14, 2013 #503 of 2911
    Bambler

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    DirecTV must have left little choice for the Pac-12 network. How else could you explain this?

    DirecTV must know that the Pac probably has a favored nation clause written into the contracts with notoriously cheap Dish and others, yet still demands less. If DirecTV is unwilling to budge, which from the likes of these revelations seems like the case, I don't believe the Pac has any other choice but to say, if you want the Pac-12 network, switch.

    Why wouldn't they, especially if they feel these talks will never get resolved, which at this point seems like the case.
     
  4. Aug 14, 2013 #504 of 2911
    Laxguy

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    The PAC doesn't have to say anything. Instead, they are taking the low road, and spending a lot of money that could go to the starving athletic programs that these schools host. :eek2:
     
  5. Aug 14, 2013 #505 of 2911
    tonyd79

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    No, I thought that was assumed. That's why I used the word "worth" in my post. You decide how much and what you are going to buy just like in any other purchase. We tend to think of TV as a single provider. I'm saying maybe it isn't. You still work within your budget, of course. And you work the best deal possible but why not a basic package from one and other stuff from another? I already have that with directv and fios. Fios is my Internet and phone provide. I take advantage if the few channels I can get from them that I can't with directv (DC locals and Epix).
     
  6. Aug 14, 2013 #506 of 2911
    Sandra

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    ...or at least until the merger!


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  7. Aug 14, 2013 #507 of 2911
    fleckrj

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    I agree with Laxguy. The prudent thing would be for the PAC 12 to do nothing and save the money. They could issue a press release stating that the PAC 12 will not be on DirecTV, but to spend money on ads urging people to switch from DirecTV is not in the best interest of the PAC 12. This is politics at its worst.
     
  8. Aug 14, 2013 #508 of 2911
    Bambler

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    Personally I think it's funny and I also think the complete opposite in regards to their campaign: why wouldn't they want more people to switch to providers that do carry it? More money for them. So our opinions differ in that regards.
     
  9. Aug 14, 2013 #509 of 2911
    fleckrj

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    I will have to see the actual ads, If they are along the lines of "Watch the PAC 12 Network - now available on TWC, Dish, . . .", then I agree That is promoting their brand, which is what they should be doing. On the other hand, if it is along the lines of "DirecTV Customers - Switch to Dish so you can watch the PAC 12 Network", then the PAC 12 is just being childish.
     
  10. Aug 14, 2013 #510 of 2911
    Laxguy

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    The PAC would make more money by putting it on DIRECTV than they would by picking up the ten thousand or so that will switch to other providers who'll then fork over the $X.xx per sub. (Or is it $0.xx?) They could show leadership by allowing it as an add-on, so the fanatics could pay for it; others not so much.
     
  11. Aug 14, 2013 #511 of 2911
    kick4fun

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    no no no.. The money they are spending is coming from the profits just from Pac12 Networks... Each and every school in the PAC12 is guaranteed $21 Million from the ESPN/FOX deal.. Starving??? Hardly.
     
  12. Aug 14, 2013 #512 of 2911
    kick4fun

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    agreed
     
  13. Aug 14, 2013 #513 of 2911
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    That's probably impossible depending on the contract they have with the other providers. DirecTV must realize this and consequently has placed the pac in an untenable situation without invoking some clause in their contract. They probably have no choice; either take the same deal as Dish and others as we're not going to threaten the contracts we have in place or I'm sorry, we have no alternative.

    Again, I'm just speculating, but I have to believe there's something more going on.

     
  14. Aug 14, 2013 #514 of 2911
    Laxguy

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    One word: irony.

    Also, the money being spent on their low road of bashing DIRECTV is money that cannot go towards athletics, much less academics.
     
  15. Aug 14, 2013 #515 of 2911
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    I wouldn't say never, but I do believe you are right in saying that the NFL has some influence. People that have NFL Sunday Ticket (and think especially sports bars) aren't going to SWITCH anything. They may ADD a 2nd provider (especially in the case of sports bars) to have the local PAC12 sports available to them, but they are not going to give up NFL Sunday Ticket.

    Dish may already have some added customers, as it isn't a real huge deal for any sports bar to simply put a second dish on the roof so they can get Pac12 networks to their customers on several televisions.

    As far as PAC12's "switch" campaign goes, I think it will more then likely backfire. They will spend a lot of money and not a whole lot of customers will actually switch.

    With their excellent online coverage, I am cheating the system: A family member has TWC, and with their account details I can pick and choose the few sports I want to watch. Not 100% kosher of course, but until Pac12 makes a deal with DirecTV, it will work for what I want out of it.
     
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  16. Aug 14, 2013 #516 of 2911
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    If someone wants Pac12 that bad they will change providers, I don't think adds telling them to change will make any difference.
     
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  17. Aug 14, 2013 #517 of 2911
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    I'll weigh in with my two cents.

    As a sports nut I'd like to have the Pac-12 channel but no way will I switch from Directv. I considered adding another source to get the channel, but don't want Dish and Comcast doesn't even offer the channel in my area.

    In my opinion the Pac 12 is the one preventing a deal and in some ways is playing dirty pool. If you go to their website and look at the info they say all they want from DTV is to be "available" to all subscribers and then list as examples a bunch of other sports channels. First off DTV has offered to make the channel available to all subscribers- but only those that want it can pay extra. I'd be cool with that. Many of the channels the Pac 12 lists fall under that model, but the Pac 12 wants you to believe I guess that all of these channels are given to all subscribers as part of basic packages. A few like ESPN are, but many like more than your local RSN and Fox Soccer plus require a subscriber to pay extra.

    Pac 12 has a lot to lose if they don't get their channel out there to people before the SEC channel, etc roll out. As more and more happens they lose the ability to make an impact and become less relevant- at least in my opinion.
     
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  18. Aug 14, 2013 #518 of 2911
    tonyd79

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    Or being Viacomish. Synonyms.
     
  19. Aug 14, 2013 #519 of 2911
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    I sent off my request to the PAC 12 for $1900 to pay off my commitment so I can switch to Dish. So far, the canned responses back are treating my request as legit.
     
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  20. Aug 14, 2013 #520 of 2911
    Bambler

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    The early termination fee, at least when I called them about it when I tried to cancel a while back, was up to $20 per month, prorated by the amount of months left on your contract.

    Have one year left? It will probably cost you up to $240.
     

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