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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Aug 19, 2013 #601 of 2911
    WebTraveler

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    In the time the CBS issues will be solved. Time will tell.
     
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    tonyd79

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    We are talking at cross purposes. My only point was that it was conjecture that directv was singling out the PAC 12. That was what I was responding to. You essentially agree with me, I think. I agree they are drawing a line but it is not aimed only at the PAC 12 which is what Web said was the fact, which I disagreed with.
     
  3. Aug 19, 2013 #603 of 2911
    tonyd79

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    Yes. A business decision hat says the PAC 12 is not worth the price bing asked. They aren't picking on the PAC 12.
     
  4. Aug 19, 2013 #604 of 2911
    damondlt

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    I agree with Directv!
    Not that often I can say that.

    But in this case I don't want to see anything NEW added when it comes to sports RSN!
    Maybe its time Directv starts regional pricing like the cable does. Then I don't have to worry about LA market effecting my price.
     
  5. Aug 19, 2013 #605 of 2911
    tonyd79

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    They already are. The RSN fee is regional. In reality, there is little difference in their costs from location to location. Only LiL and RSNs and they have approached the RSNs. I seriously doubt the LiLs have that much of an impact on their costs regionally compared to the hundreds of national channels.

    Cable systems have local infrastructure costs that help drive their pricing.
     
  6. Aug 19, 2013 #606 of 2911
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Being the largest MVPD, Comcast demands and gets MFN clauses in all their contracts. Size does have its advantages.
     
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    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Yes, but that will have a bigger effect on the DirecTV Q3 2013 results in subs than people leaving because of lack of PAC-12, which is what I was responding to (and quoted) in the original post.
     
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    Damonndlt- Sorry but your avatar kind of makes what you're saying pointless in this discussion. You have YES network and you're from the East Coast stating you don't want to see any new RSN added including the new LA one because of pricing really isn't adding much value. You have no real dog in this fight so to speak- I am sure you could care less if DirecTV adds Dodgers games next year. I am not in So Cal and I am not a Dodgers fan but for people in So Cal I'd hope they get their Dodgers channel. Personally being in Nor Cal not having the Pac 12 network is a big deal for me and my family as we do watch quite a few Pac 12 games. (I have created a work around so I can watch games on Pac 12 Network but still want DirecTV to add it)

    I am sure you'd say something different if DirecTV came back and said FOX wants too much for YES network so we plan to drop it. How would you feel if the entire West Coast audience said "I don't care about YES and if they drop it "Good for DirecTV!" because my price will go down!

    I am not looking to pick a fight with anyone here, just pointing things out.
     
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  9. Aug 19, 2013 #609 of 2911
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    Seems to me that Larry Smith has painted himself in a corner and has nowhere to go when it comes to the Pac12 contract. He's banking on a lot of revenue from the network, much of it from DirecTV and its customers. Now, DirecTV is saying we want your network, but not at your price. If Smith can't get carriage at an inflated price, the network doesn't make near the money that he projected it to make, and then the Pac 12 schools get mad and fire him.

    Smith and this new ad campaign seems like a desperation move that he's using to get an agreement and keep his job. I like it that White is playing hardball. As much as I love sports, I'm tired of sports programming rates escalating out-of-control, and it's time to stop this issue.
     
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    I'm not at all certain that Larry Scott will be fired, nor his boss, whose name I forget. But one can hope that they'll be replaced by classy folk, who want to get the exposure for their athletes and schools, rather than lambast DIRECTV®.
     
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    I don't think Larry Scott will be ousted since he was hired by the Pac 12 presidents with the roll/idea he would go out and get the best possible TV deals he could get. Which even without DirecTV he did, with the ESPN and FOX deals. They also were able to get Pac 12 Networks on the #1(Comcast) and #3 (Dish) pay TV providers in the US so even without being able to work out a deal with DirecTV they still reached major carriage agreements. We can all get mad/frustrated at how the entire process has gone, but the schools were able to get what they wanted more $$$$$. As for exposure they actually have increased it quite a bit, remember the previous Pac 10 deal included 1 game on ABC usually in the afternoon aired mostly to the West Coast, 1 or 2 games on FSN, and beyond that the schools would sell their other games locally. So this deal is much better than their previous deal in place. Every Pac 12 CFB game is on Nat'l TV starting last year.
     
  12. Aug 19, 2013 #612 of 2911
    damondlt

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    Yankees have the largest fan base in all of baseball.
    YES has also been on Directv since Yankees started a network.

    You guys are talking about Pac 12 .

    That entire division can't touch Yankees fan base!
     
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    I'm only gonna say this once. Keep it civil. Discuss the topic and not each other.

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    Does Comcast carry the PAC 12 everywhere or just in the PAC 12 territory? Are the regional PAC 12 channels available everywhere? Comcast is not available where I live, and the local TWC only has the PAC 12 national channel - not the six regional channels.
     
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    I'm a Yankee fan, but my goodness....I totally disagree with everything you've said here. DirecTV can have a carriage dispute with ANY channel.


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    It is not available everywhere. I think this year, Comcast is putting it on more out-of-market systems. In the Bay Area, Comcast offers the regional channel in both SD and HD and the national channel only in SD. Dish only offers the national channel, with alternate channels available if there is a conflict in live football games (I think there are only a few instances of this at the beginning of the year during the non-conference schedule.) Not sure if the overflow channels work during basketball season or for any other sporting event. (Or if there are such conflicts which would necessitate it.) I think TWC in LA offers a number of the regional channels. Of course, even if you only get one of the feeds, you can watch all of the games online using authentication from your provider. There are rumors that AT&T will be adding PAC-12 any day now with the same method as Dish: national channel with a couple of overflow channels.
     
  17. Aug 19, 2013 #617 of 2911
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    Initially, Comcast only offered the channel in-market, but they are now expanding availability to some out-of-market areas. I think the channel will eventually be available in all areas, but that isn't the case now. They did the same thing with the Big Ten Network. Where I live (Denver), BTN was not available until a year or so after Comcast started carrying it in Big Ten territory.

    In Denver, Comcast carries the national Pac 12 Network in SD only and requires the sports pack to receive it. The regional feed for our area (Pac 12 Mountain) is available in Digital Starter and is in both SD and HD. The other regional feeds are unavailable in any form. For comparison, Comcast carries the Big Ten Network in SD and HD as part of the sports pack, with no regional coverage (this is probably how the Pac 12 Network will be carried in out-of-market areas by Comcast).
     
  18. Aug 19, 2013 #618 of 2911
    tonyd79

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    No PAC 12 on Comcast in my area.


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  19. Aug 19, 2013 #619 of 2911
    damondlt

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    That doesn't change facts.

    Fact is Directv doesn't want to pay these fees for a low requested channel.
     
  20. Aug 19, 2013 #620 of 2911
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    This is all kind of a moot point, as I don't believe DirecTV will ever carry this channel ever anyways. It won't happen.

    One observation, though: people don't complain about these regional sports networks once they are in fact carried, regardless of how much resistance might have been present before a carriage agreement was in place. Once it's carried, the resistance (at least vocally, here) fades.

    Case in point: TWC's Lakers' channel. People complained about it, too expensive, regional, etc., same arguments, but now we don't hear a thing about it. No one talks about it or makes posts complaining about it, now that it's on the air and people have grown accustomed to it, so to speak.

    Just an interesting observation.

    In any case, I hope DirecTV does take a stand against this and all future regional sport's network. Let's see what the "brilliant brain trust" at DirecTV decides to do, both now and in the future...can they hold out while other operators try and gain leverage in the same manner DirecTV used programming content to do the same in the past?
     

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