1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Aug 19, 2013 #621 of 2911
    sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    14,582
    369
    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    It's somewhat funny how P12 fans allude to how popular this channel should be, but numbers suggest it's not a popular conference, specifically with football... the sport that really drives everything. tony talked about tv rankings earlier.

    I found this article from 2011 discussing the most popular teams. http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?_r=0

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
  2. Aug 19, 2013 #622 of 2911
    sum_random_dork

    sum_random_dork Icon

    911
    18
    Aug 21, 2008
    Comcast/Xfinity announced they will be rolling out the Pac 12 Nat'l channel in the Midwest (including Chicago) and I believe into some parts of Tennessee. Rumor has it the East Coast could be the next area to receive Pac 12 via Comcast. The major issue with Pac 12 on Comcast is you can't use the Pac 12 app to stream games. Customers need to logon to the Comcast webpage to watch games.
     
  3. Aug 19, 2013 #623 of 2911
    Sandra

    Sandra Legend

    294
    23
    Apr 16, 2012
    According to this logic Time Warner Cable does not want to pay for CBS because they are low requested channels. And the amount of people who watch YES is insignificant to how many watch CBS, Showtime, etc.


    Sandra
     
    1 person likes this.
  4. Aug 19, 2013 #624 of 2911
    Bambler

    Bambler Legend

    412
    16
    May 30, 2006
    Interesting, but even the author states it's unscientific. A comment from the same blog post without quotations:

    Well, the problem with this data is that its'...Simply unscientific.

    The only accurate way to post this data is polling with supporting merchandising/profitability/attendance anecdotal supporting data. This was done by ESPN and Harris polling, though slightly old, and the results were far more common sense and realistic.

    Nov. 17, 2004

    NOTRE DAME, Ind. - A recent survey by The Harris Poll® of a nationwide cross section of adults has confirmed what one survey earlier this year by ESPN -- The Fighting Irish of Notre Dame are the most popular college football team in the nation among adults in the United States.

    The 2004 survey, released Nov. 12, continues a long-standing trend. Notre has been America's favorite college football team every year since The Harris Poll® first started asking this question in 1997 (with the exception of 2000 and 2001 as Harris Interactive® did not poll on this topic during these years). They are followed by Ohio State, which for the first time unseats Florida State for the number two spot, while Florida State, which has been second for the past seven years, drops precipitously out of the top 10.

    These are some of the results of an online survey conducted by Harris Interactive between October 20 and 25, 2004 among a nationwide cross section of 2,114 U.S. adults of whom 789 say they follow college football. While interest in college football was on the rise in the late 1990s, this year it holds steady as 35 percent of U.S. adults report following college football - virtually the same as the last two years. Its popularity is highest among men and southerners.

    2004 Rank
    1. Notre Dame
    2. Ohio State
    3. Michigan
    4. Texas
    5. Penn State
    6. LSU
    7. USC
    8. Wisconsin
    9. Tennessee
    10. Maryland

    Harris polling data, as stated, was supported by an ESPN poll almost exactly.

    RUTGERS?!? BC at or near the top of ACC in popularity? Come on, those are absurd. Also, college football is followed by approx 35% of adults in this country, by same poll
     
  5. Aug 19, 2013 #625 of 2911
    Bambler

    Bambler Legend

    412
    16
    May 30, 2006
    Another thing, IF DirecTV ever does carry the Pac-12 network, that's a big IF because I don't see that happening, these arguments against or even for become absolutely moot. No one will care anymore except those that watch it if it's taken away.

    Also, there's only two SEC teams in the 2004 Harris poll. Fans rise and fall with the success of the teams and conferences, except for Notre Dame apparently.
     
  6. Aug 19, 2013 #626 of 2911
    sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    14,582
    369
    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    2004 to 2013 is an eternity in sports. 2011 is at least a more viable year to look at. What's your deal with where Rutgers ranks? It's the state college of NJ...NY/NJ is a very populous area. It's logical they'll rank high in popularity. BC ranks high because it's in a big market, too, but also because it's a Catholic school... that's going to draw support.
     
  7. Aug 19, 2013 #627 of 2911
    Bambler

    Bambler Legend

    412
    16
    May 30, 2006
    That goes exactly against the essence of the article you mentioned, doesn't it? SEC has tiny DMAs compared to other conferences.
     
  8. Aug 19, 2013 #628 of 2911
    sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    14,582
    369
    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    California and the west just doesn't support football. Rutgers dominates the NY DMA so that pushes them up. The natin tunes into SEC games... the west barely tunes into P12 games. Look at the DMA chart below.
    [​IMG]
     
  9. Aug 19, 2013 #629 of 2911
    damondlt

    damondlt New Member

    5,455
    232
    Feb 27, 2006
    Newfoundland...
    Again , you are talking about the NUMBER 1 Baseball team in the USA. Stop trying to compare RSNs with Regular Networks . Its meaningless

    So is comparing Pac 12 to YES Network.

    Pac 12 is college based sports that as you can see is not very high on the ratings as far as fans or viewers go.
     
  10. Aug 19, 2013 #630 of 2911
    Bambler

    Bambler Legend

    412
    16
    May 30, 2006
    College football has TV viewership numbers that are only exceeded by the NFL. College football beats the NBA, MLB and all other professional and amatuer sports.
     
  11. Aug 19, 2013 #631 of 2911
    Bambler

    Bambler Legend

    412
    16
    May 30, 2006
    The nation views into whoever is winning and the SEC (sans Notre Dame) is doing that now. Look at the Harris' Poll in 2004 compared to now, Alabama wasn't even in the top ten according to their poll.

    These things go up and down. Fan interest goes up and down as well, depending on who is winning. It's cyclical as nothing lasts forever.
     
  12. Aug 19, 2013 #632 of 2911
    Sandra

    Sandra Legend

    294
    23
    Apr 16, 2012
    It's a valid comparison, even if you don't like it because the Yankees come up short here in the ratings compared to CBS. Way short.

    Compared to CBS and it's related properties, YES is not very high on the ratings as far as fans or viewers go. Barely a blip on the radar screen.

    If CBS can be pulled off the air by a major cable/satellite company, so can YES.


    Sandra
     
  13. Aug 19, 2013 #633 of 2911
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    45,306
    913
    Apr 17, 2003
    Michiana
    Number one --- is that Boston? Detroit? Texas? Atlanta? Pittsburgh? LA Dodgers?
    Or are yout talking about number five in the wildcard standings?

    Or just number one in driving up the price of regional sports channels?
    Number one in leveraging single team sports coverage into an expensive multi-channel package?
     
    1 person likes this.
  14. Aug 19, 2013 #634 of 2911
    ejbvt

    ejbvt AllStar

    1,524
    136
    Aug 14, 2011
    VT
    I have seen in several places (And heard the announcers say it a few times) that the Reds were the #1 team in viewership on RSNs. I am not sure what time period they are referring to. Nor do I know the criteria. (The Reds have a HUGE coverage area, they are a "local" team here in NC. I can get them on FSCIN, FSIND, FSTEN, and SPSO+.) Several years ago, I recall hearing the same claim about NESN. YES is not on all providers, they can't measure up.

    Pac12 might not have the viewers - but I bet they have more than stupid MAVTV, which I still say isn't a real sports channel.
     
  15. Aug 19, 2013 #635 of 2911
    sdk009

    sdk009 Icon

    695
    19
    Jan 19, 2007
    Kihei, Maui, HI
    http://bit.ly/14vHcs3
    Jon Wilner confirms PAC 12 is getting $.80 a sub from all providers. I don't see why D'* thinks its deserves a better deal than everyone else


    Sent from my iPhone using DBSTalk mobile app
     
  16. Aug 19, 2013 #636 of 2911
    fleckrj

    fleckrj Icon

    1,566
    143
    Sep 4, 2009
    Cary, NC
    Texas A&M (#6) and Missouri (#23) are now in the SEC, which strengthens an already dominant football conference. Kentucky, the perennial doormat of the SEC outdraws all but three of the PAC 12 schools in football and has lead the nation in basketball attendance for the last 8 years (which includes the [SIZE=10.5pt]disastrous [/SIZE]years of the Billy Gillispie era).
     
  17. Aug 19, 2013 #637 of 2911
    Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    15,237
    552
    Dec 2, 2010
    Winters,...
    I wouldn't make that assumption. Perhaps DIRECTV feels that PAC-12 is asking—actually, demanding— more than they are worth. Could be a business decision, then, no?
     
  18. Aug 19, 2013 #638 of 2911
    Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    15,237
    552
    Dec 2, 2010
    Winters,...
    Also, Wilner says $.80 cents essentially:

    The Pac-12 has reached distribution agreements with Comcast, DISH, Time Warner and Cox, all for essentially the same sub fee of $0.80.

    And he mentions just the biggies, and it's also unlikely that any one of them would confirm carriage fees to a reporter.
     
  19. Aug 19, 2013 #639 of 2911
    sdk009

    sdk009 Icon

    695
    19
    Jan 19, 2007
    Kihei, Maui, HI
    Also, Wilner says $.80 cents essentially:

    The Pac-12 has reached distribution agreements with Comcast, DISH, Time Warner and Cox, all for essentially the same sub fee of $0.80.

    And he mentions just the biggies, and it's also unlikely that any one of them would confirm carriage fees to a reporter.


    My guess his info is from the Net, not the providers.
    That said what difference does it make where he got his info, my question still stands unanswered.


    Sent from my iPhone using DBSTalk mobile app
     
  20. Aug 19, 2013 #640 of 2911
    Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    15,237
    552
    Dec 2, 2010
    Winters,...
     

Share This Page