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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Sep 17, 2013 #881 of 2911
    tonyd79

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    I am not being black and white about this. I said that maybe DirecTV thinks that Dish made a bad deal. As for the rest, cable is a different animal than satellite. Cable is still local even when companies are multi-regional. They NEED local channels more than satellite does. Spreading the carriage for a cable company doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Once they made the deal, they made the deal. Plus, I seriously doubt that ANYONE is paying full price out of market. Even then, maybe DirecTV thinks it is a bad deal for them, too.

    My only point is that we cannot assume that DirecTV wants a better deal than others get. They may want a better deal than the others signed but there is no evidence that they think they deserve special consideration.

    And you are right, they both (DirecTV and the PAC 12) made a business decision on carriage and pricing.
     
  2. Sep 17, 2013 #882 of 2911
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    That is my line of reasoning. It is the only path I can find that doesn't make either side really lie (just a bit of spin, which is normal). PAC 12 can say they are seeking essentially the same deal based upon each provider and DirecTV can say it is too much. No matter what, it is clear that DirecTV values BTN more than the PAC 12 Network at this point. We will see what happens when BTN is up for renewal.
     
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    The B1G is jointly owned by Fox Sports and the conference, while the PAC 12 solely owns its own network.
    The relationship between D* and Fox probably had something to do when the carriage agreement was struck as to how the B1G is being carried.
    Don't forget, Dish has an advertising agreement with the PAC 12 Net that affected the price its paying, so there really can't be a comparable pricing option available for D*.
     
  4. Sep 17, 2013 #884 of 2911
    mrdobolina

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    In my opinion DirecTV SHOULD value BTN more. As an Illinois alum living in Denver, I randomly meet more Big 10 fans than I do Pac 12 fans. I know CU was only recently added to the Pac12, but there is something to be said about living in a Pac12 market and meeting more Big10 fans than even CU fans or Pac12 fans in general. Sure, perhaps I attract B1G fans since I can relate to them more easily, but still, Pac12 is just not the viewer draw that a Big10 or an SEC is for Football or really for Basketball either.

    As far as Dish goes, perhaps they did make a bad deal in hopes that they could usurp some subscribers on the basis of "Look at us, we have a sports channel that DirecTV doesn't!!" Then, with an MFN clause, if DirecTV comes in and works a better deal, well that will lower Dish's rate, too.
     
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    Two problems with that line of reasoning.

    1. Owning a big stake in GSN has not gotten DirecTV GSN HD.

    2. Fox actually divested its controlling interest in DirecTV prior to the launch of BTN. By the time of the BTN launch, Liberty Media was in control of DirecTV. The final move was made several months earlier.

    What is more likely is that at the time of BTN's launch (August 2007), DirecTV was still in expansion mode and was pretty much still the company that had every big channel at its launch. That has changed quite a bit, especially with regional sports channels.
     
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    tnnolman

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    If Directv and PAC12 Network would kiss and shake hands for a deal we would get all of the fb and bb games that is not on right now.
     
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    Yep, or you can look elsewhere for TV services. Which is more likely - Directv adding the channels OR you going elsewhere to add the channels. It's at a decision point for you. You can choose to stay or you can choose to go. Or if you feel like you do not want to go, call up Directv ask to cancel because of it and they will throw so much at you in the way of promotions you will do very nicely. They offered me the sun and everything underneath it when I walked. But if you have no intention of leaving then take them on their offers. I don't normally advocate such a thing, but in this case I'd drive the nail in hard to screw them.
     
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    If they offer, you aren't screwing them. If you take their offer, they win. And so do you if the offer is good.
     
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    It's really unfortunate we still don't have this channel. As a College Football fan I'm disappointed. Thankfully they have an agreement with Cox so I am able to use a friend of mine's Cox login for the IPAD app. Coupled with the fact that they upgraded the app so it works with Apple TV, I've been able to get the games on my TV with very high quality.
     
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    going to call them in the morning about that and see if they offer me more discounted offers or rebate but Im not switching...
     
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    Depending on the speed of your and a friend's Internet connection a slingbox can also solve many problems which may or may not be related to this topic.
     
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    I wouldn't win. I wouldn't have Pac 12, I'd lose big time.
     
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    Well, at least you screw Mike White. Keep holding out, the deal gets better.
     
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    Technically that is fraud, well not technically, it is fraud. It's no different from walking into the store and walking off with the product.
     
  17. Sep 21, 2013 #897 of 2911
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    Now, now let's not get crazy. His friend bought a good and is sharing it. This is going to be at the center of the evolution of the industry. You will be limited to one logon at a time.

    By the way, you would have me arrested for fraud because I give out my slingbox logon to family in other states to watch local content.
     
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    Pretty sure the T's and C's of getting that login said only the subscriber's household is allowed to use it.

    It is probably not policed much by the cable companies now because most people don't watch streaming content. But you can bet that if their subscriber numbers dropped by 30% they'd suddenly take a very close interest in seeing exactly who is using these logins, and do whatever they could to insure that you didn't share it with your friend or neighbor who cut the cord.
     
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    The reality is that it is fraud and it is stealing. You can rationalize it anyway you want, but the reality is that it is illegal.

    Whether someone would be arrested for it is doubtful a best.
     
  20. Sep 21, 2013 #900 of 2911
    pdxBeav

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    I would gladly give PAC-12 Networks and DirecTV my money if they would accept it. Since they won't, I'll find other creative solutions. No need to rationalize anything.
     

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