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Pac-12 Networks confident, even without DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Athlon646464, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Jul 4, 2013 #81 of 2940
    tonyd79

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    P12N needs to secure some top football games in order to get the distribution it seeks. Games like Stanford-Oregon and Notre Dame-USC. But it won't because FOX/ESPN is paying billions of dollars.

    BTN lucked out in that Michigan was upset very early on it's network. Had that not happened, who knows if it would have picked up as much distribution as it did.


    I doubt that very much. It had good distribution before it even started. They had other things going for them. A big population center and a large alumni base that is scattered around the country. Being the first major conference to have its own network. Backing of Fox Sports. And not being overly greedy (good pricing outside footprint). And being early on the curve of the sports channel explosion.
     
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    Consider though that a BIG part of the Pac 12 concept is and always was internet streaming of games as well. The games will continue to increase each year. This falls slate of scheduled TV games is more than last fall. Part of all of this is capital....pouring some of the initial profits back in will allow more and more to be broadcast.
     
  3. Jul 5, 2013 #83 of 2940
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    Not to mention at the time wasn't Fox Sports attached to Directv and thus buy giving Fox 51% control and ownership the deal assured carriage by Directv. Even though Fox Sports and Directv are now separate its still part of the Fox empire and has all sorts of packaged deal with other Fox interests for carriage. So that's key. If you give up 51% you will get on more systems quicker....Pac 12 is going it alone....there are just differences in strategy in how to run and distribute it.
     
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    Haven't read past the above post yet, so don't know if this point has already been made.

    Then if that is the motivation, they should be offering the channel to carriers at more attractive rates in order to get the coverage.
     
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    tonyd79

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    Not to mention at the time wasn't Fox Sports attached to Directv and thus buy giving Fox 51% control and ownership the deal assured carriage by Directv. Even though Fox Sports and Directv are now separate its still part of the Fox empire and has all sorts of packaged deal with other Fox interests for carriage. So that's key. If you give up 51% you will get on more systems quicker....Pac 12 is going it alone....there are just differences in strategy in how to run and distribute it.


    Directv ownership has not played a part in channel carriage with other channels. Why do you assume it did with BTN?
     
  6. Jul 5, 2013 #86 of 2940
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    Haven't read past the above post yet, so don't know if this point has already been made.

    Then if that is the motivation, they should be offering the channel to carriers at more attractive rates in order to get the coverage.


    To be fair. Recruiting and exposure always comes after the money. It is icing on the cake. Football sets the price. Baseball and track ride along for the exposure. Having a conference network gets the money and allows exposure for other sports that just wouldn't happen in the ESPN only world.
     
  7. Jul 5, 2013 #87 of 2940
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    But even before the launch of the SEC network, the ESPN channels have been showing quite a bit of SEC baseball, softball, swimming, gymnastics, and volleyball. It is true that with the launch of the SEC network, even more of these sports will be shown, but th eSEC already had the top matches across all sports on ESPN, EXPN2,or ESPNU.

    Having 5 schools in the Eastern time zone and the other 9 in the Central time zone makes the SEC much more attractive for national coverage than the PAC12 is.
     
  8. Jul 6, 2013 #88 of 2940
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    But even before the launch of the SEC network, the ESPN channels have been showing quite a bit of SEC baseball, softball, swimming, gymnastics, and volleyball. It is true that with the launch of the SEC network, even more of these sports will be shown, but th eSEC already had the top matches across all sports on ESPN, EXPN2,or ESPNU.

    Having 5 schools in the Eastern time zone and the other 9 in the Central time zone makes the SEC much more attractive for national coverage than the PAC12 is.


    The time zone is important to ratings, yes. But I would bet that some of it was ESPN getting cozy with the SEC because they wanted to partner with them on football. ESPN is very agenda driven.
     
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    When you are negotiating with yourself it is always easier to convince yourself to be among the first carriers to come on board. Big Ten gave up 51% of their network right out of the gate to Fox. They bought something and that something to me is access.
     
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    Tell that to The Game Show Network ... DirecTV is part owner but we don't have the HD feed.
     
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    Actually it was 49%. Something in the contract occurred later on and Fox became majority owner. Just not at first. It took a couple of years.
     
  12. Jul 7, 2013 #92 of 2940
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    This thread is just the right justification for all the PAC-12 chatter which it was prohibited to only the sports programming thread, When there used to be a PAC-12 Discussion thread on Directv forum when everybody thought it would be added and turns out it didn't then the shock came when Dish got it.
     
  13. Jul 7, 2013 #93 of 2940
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    Justification would come only if the channel is added due to the chatter. We (the site) have relaxed the rules a little since the thread you referred to was closed. The sports forum thread served the purpose. Just like the HD Anticipation thread ... do not expect DirecTV to read this thread and make any changes in policy just because this thread exists. :)
     
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    Since most of its programming is real old, I doubt HD could make the picture any better.
     
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    Since most of its programming is real old, I doubt HD could make the picture any better.


    I think you need to check the guide again. GSN has new games as well.

    Older programming hasn't held tv land or Nickelodeon back.
     
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    Now that D* won't be buying Hulu they can use that money to get the Pac 12 Network. ;)
     
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    As long as it is the main channel plus the game-only feeds and in the Sports Pack for those outside the concerned TV markets.

    Seven channels is still considerably tougher to ingest given all the DBSTalk regulars know about the scarce channel openings until the launch of D14.
     
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    An easy solution to bandwidth would be to carry the main channel in HD and the regional channels in SD, just like Oceanic Time Warner is doing.
     
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    dish does main channel HD and regional game only HD.
     
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    There's a huge bandwidth crunch for SD. Just look at what happens to League Pass, Extra Innings and Center Ice when MLB, NBA and NHL are playing at the sametime. They take many of the infomercial channels off air for the night as well as some PPV channels to cover all the RSN alternates and overflows that need to be used for local coverage (i.e. NESN Plus, MSG2, MSG+2, MSG Buffalo, MASN2, FS Wisconsin, FS Indiana, FS Kansas City, FS Carolinas, FS Tennessee, FS Oklahoma, FS New Orleans, Root Sports Utah, CSN Bay Area+, CSN California+, CSN Chicago+, CSN Chicago+ 2, FS Southwest+, FS Florida+, SunSports+, FS South+, SportSouth+, FS Detroit+, FS Arizona+, etc) resutling in no extra coverage from channels like Sportsnet, TSN, CSN Philly, CSN Houston or CSN Northwest, there have been times where even Hockey Night in Canada got bumped.
     

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