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Panasonic eyes Plasma Exit

Discussion in 'High Definition Displays' started by Cholly, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. Mar 21, 2013 #41 of 104
    CCarncross

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    If I were to put in a projection system in a theater, it would have to have expensive line scalers again because 1080 "just dont cut it" above 60" for me. Anyone remember back in the days of LD's and projection systems and the Faroudja line doublers/ etc...? I would need the modern equivalent of that in the digital world.
     
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    While there is some truth to that...there is also another truth...there comes a tipping point where the image reproduction gain exceeds the ability of most people to recognize the difference and/or accept the costs to produce it.

    As one who routinely views images on a quality 116" HD projection system...I always need to remind myself that most folks don't have the obsession for perfection that others do at DBSTalk when it comes to video, audio, and related technology.

    Having seen 4K resolution firsthand with 4K content...the imagery is clearly better than 1080p. Yet, the cost to produce it exponentially exceeds 1080p's best image production at time. For that reason alone...it's years away.

    Circling back to the topic at hand...

    Plasma displays have been dying a slow death in the market for some time. Panasonic is not the first manufacturer to head out the door on plasma. Folks sometimes forget that tech moves on.
     
  4. Apr 4, 2013 #44 of 104
    sigma1914

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    Just got the new Panasonic 50" ST60... this set is phenomenal. Early indications are hinting it's equal to and possibly a tad better than the highly touted VT50 from 2012.

    At only $999, it's a steal.
     
  5. Apr 5, 2013 #45 of 104
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    It is. I just read this excellent review of the 42ST60, which sells for the equivalent of $1380 (£900) in the UK. Sounds like your eyes are in for a real treat. Enjoy!
     
  6. Apr 10, 2013 #46 of 104
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    Mind me asking where you purchased from?

    thanks
     
  7. Apr 10, 2013 #47 of 104
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    Best Buy... ordered online and picked it up about an hour later.
     
  8. Apr 11, 2013 #48 of 104
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    Panasonic just keeps making their plasmas better and better but consumers are largely ill-informed, so we're faced with the prospect of them abandoning the technology (and possibly the entire product sector) because of poor sales. Every time someone comes to me for a TV recommendation and I tell them to start with Panny Plasmas I hear the same thing "I was told LED is better" "they'll have burn-in (incorrect terminology)", "they're too heavy", etc. Despite the fact that I'm widely accepted as the "Technology Guy" (or more commonly geek or nerd) by my friends and family it takes a lot to convince them otherwise. I'm often successful but not always as the amount FUD seems almost overwhelming.

    I know there are other good choices, but you really can't get close to the same picture performance with LED/LCD unless you spend a LOT more money.
     
  9. Apr 11, 2013 #49 of 104
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    Yeah, tech does move on. But usually it is something better and at least price competitive, which is not the case right now.

    Plasma is on the way out, that seems a forgone conclusion, but yet a 'better' tech isn't really there yet. OLED seems to be the next big thing, yet after lots of years still isn't ready for the consumer market, or any other market it seems.

    And no, LCD/LED isn't a 'better' tech, imo.
     
  10. Apr 11, 2013 #50 of 104
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    There's also FUD about power consumption. E.g., a 42S60 draws 109 watts average. Maybe more than a comparable LED, but not bad, IMO. Especially compared to what we were using with our CRTs 10 years ago.

    At least 1.5x the price (or more), based on what I saw last time I was in the store.
     
  11. Apr 11, 2013 #51 of 104
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    Or the plasma leaks over time, etc. Of course there is a lifespan, but a person is going to upgrade before reaching the halflife. Or the electronics will fail.

    Though, does Plasma still have an issue with altitude, like in Colorado (higher than Denver)?
     
  12. Apr 11, 2013 #52 of 104
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    The 2012 Panasonic plasmas have a half-life of 100,000 hours. I don't plan on upgrading until 4k is the norm.
     
  13. Apr 11, 2013 #53 of 104
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    Right, and 100,000 hours is 11 years if it's left on 24/7 the entire time. By the time you hit 100,000, 4k will have come and gone.
     
  14. Apr 12, 2013 #54 of 104
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    I think Panasonic says 6 hours of viewing a day to get to their mark of 42 years of service.

    Rich
     
  15. Apr 12, 2013 #55 of 104
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    Holy Crap, why?

    Incorrect. That image on a 9" portable screen from 12" away will look exactly the same on a 70" screen from 20' away. It's all about viewing distance versus screen size.
     
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    Bingo. Similarly, sitting 12' away from a 60" 4k screen isn't going to look any better than sitting 12' away from a 1080p (or even 768p) screen. It's all a marketing ploy by the hardware manufacturers to get you to replace perfectly good equipment.
     
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  19. Apr 13, 2013 #59 of 104
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    Me too. I was beginning to think this would be another massive mistake like Sony's Beta-Max snafu. Or Apple's mistakes in the middle-late 80s when they were (and still are) very worried that allowing processes to be run by Macs would be their ruin...and almost was.

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