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Perspective (moved from the War On Terrorism Forum)

Discussion in 'Archive' started by -, Oct 13, 2001.

  1. Guest

    Well said, RLW. You don't need to worry about times, or warnings. If you follow Jesus' command to love, you have covered all your bases. As Jesus said, the rest is just commentary.
     
  2. Guest

    "You are right, though. I don't know if your out-RAGE-ous postings are meant to be serious of if you do them just to get a rise. In either case, though, I find them as good entertainment."

    In the past at the other site you didn't know. If you see a post by Brother Rage then take it serious.
     
  3. Guest

    "He, like Robertson and Fallwell, are fundamentalists."

    Not so fast. Don't compare them to me. They slack off when the heat is turned on because they're afraid of losing money and I have none to lose.

    Second, know what the hell the word means before you try to blast me with it. Duh! You're actually prasing me but you're too stupid to realize it because you fell for the propaganda that the media uses.

    Here is the meaning...

    1. movement advocating return to traditional principles: a religious or political movement based on a literal interpretation of and strict adherence to doctrine, especially as a return to former principles

    Thank you very much for your praise, RLW. I literally accept the Bible as the word of God. AMEN!!!!
    Since I'm a fundamentalist what’s that make you? A half-ass? By gee; according to RLW if I accept the word of God literally and if I want to have principles then I’m a kook! LOL!!!!! Actually, you insulted me by comparing me to them. You know, I use to think you had some intelligence until I seen a post like above.

    "They tend to have blinders on when it comes to dogma and they also have a vested interest in creating discord among Christians of various denominations. It comes down to power and money with these guys."

    LOL!!!!! Yeah, RLW, I'm just rolling in money you nitwit. LOL

    "Many of them are the Christian version of the Taliban and in some respects"

    Agreed! They take their faith seriously and so do I.


    "have similar beliefs like the subordination of women to their husbands."

    :rolleyes: :

    You need to get a hell of a lot smarter to take on Rage, let alone Brother Rage. LOL!!!

    You make me laugh too, RLW.


    "But you can reduce all the verbiage of the Bible, especially the NT, down to a single rule and guide for your life: Love God and love your neighbor. If you do this, you need not worry."

    Then you will go to HELL!
     
  4. Guest

    "Well said, RLW. You don't need to worry about times, or warnings. If you follow Jesus' command to love, you have covered all your bases. As Jesus said, the rest is just commentary."

    This is a bunch of bullshit!

    John 3
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    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17
    For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    If anybody follows your advice then they'll go to Hell.
     
  5. Guest

    I forgot to give you the second meaning of the word.

    2. support for literal explanation: the belief that religious or political doctrine should be implemented literally, not interpreted or adapted

    There you have it. If the media is brainwashing people to believe fundamentalism is evil then I'll be blessed even more when Tom Ridge's Fatherland defense cuts off my head off.

    But that word could be bad when referring to Islam if the poll that I seen is correct. The poll stated that 1 out of 4 Islams believe killing Americans is good and the wishes of Allah. But then again, I doubt if the koran actually says that so they're not even fundamentalist.
     
  6. Guest

    Rage, why do you refuse to accept Jesus' word?
    Matthew 22:35-40:
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    One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
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    "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
    37
    Jesus replied: "`Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
    38
    This is the first and greatest commandment.
    39
    And the second is like it: `Love your neighbor as yourself.'
    40
    All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

    Got that Rage, "All the Law and the Prophets, everything else in the whole Bible, depend upon these two commandments, which talk about loving God and others. Stating that loving God will send you to hell is getting pretty close to blasphemy as far as I am concerned. And denying the commands of Jesus is probably a quick ticket to hell if anything is.
     
  7. Guest

    I said previously in reply to Mike:
    ""He, like Robertson and Fallwell, are fundamentalists."

    Whereupon Rage retorted:
    "Not so fast. Don't compare them to me. They slack off when the heat is
    turned on because they're afraid of losing money and I have none to lose."


    Which shows that Rage alway thinks its about him. The "he" that I was referring to in my reply to Mike referred to "Ankerburg" (I don't know the correct spelling, either). It was not about Rage. Rage is funny, Ankerburg isn't.

    As to Rage's other lengthy comments... well that just Rage being Rage. He makers me laugh! :)
     
  8. Guest

    I have a few questions.

    1. First, Bogy, if the Holy Spirit has truly inspired you in your typing, why have you defamed the Spirit by your cursing?

    2. Regarding the Second Coming, I am reading from Mark 13, Verses 32-37:

    "But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Take heed, watch; for you do not know when the time will come. It is like a man going on a journey, when he leaves home and puts his servants in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to be on the watch. watch therefore - for you do now know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or in the morning - lest he come suddenly and find you asleep. And what I say to you I say to all: Watch"

    My other question: How can anyone begin to say that they can even see signs that lead to the Second Coming, for He has said that He will come like a "thief in the night" for His people?

    Thanks,
    Ray

    John 15:12-13: This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no man that this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
     
  9. Guest

    "My other question: How can anyone begin to say that they can even see signs that lead to the Second Coming, for He has said that He will come like a "thief in the night" for His people? "

    Ray,

    Another telltale sign is that those who profess that the world is coming to an end really, in their hearts and minds, don't believe their own propaganda. Otherwise they would act most differently. Thes people are simply manipulators of wordly actions fgor their own egocentric purposes. Those who blindly follow these "predictions" tend to be broken people who have not found a way to fix themselves. I have yet to determine in which group Rage belongs. Either way, I take Rage's rants with a grain of salt and a large laugh.
     
  10. Guest

    Ray, are you addressing me or "Brother Rage? Your first question addressed me, but your questions seem to apply to Rage. Please clarify.
     
  11. Guest

    My mistake... I meant no offense. You were right, it should have been Brother Rage.

    Again, I apologize.
     
  12. Guest

    I'm short of time so I'll make it fast.

    Admin, I planned to make future post in the other forum and that's where I'll post them in the future.

    "1. First, Bogy, if the Holy Spirit has truly inspired you in your typing, why have you defamed the Spirit by your cursing?"

    I don't think the Holy Ghost is in Bogy.

    Isaiah 32

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    The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.
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    For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry; and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.
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    The instruments also of the churl are evil; he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
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    But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

    Bogy and a lot of churches today say it's okay to be a homosexual and that God loves you anyway.
    This is a complete lie. Did God love the homosexuals that he destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah?

    1 Corinthians 6

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    Nay, ye do wrong and defraud, and that your own brethren!
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    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10
    nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God.

    If Today's church really loved these people then they would tell them to repent and ask forgiveness because...

    11
    And such were some of you. But ye are washed, ye are sanctified, ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

    See my post about the last church age in Rev. 4.
    God will spue a lot of these churches out.

    "2. Regarding the Second Coming, I am reading from Mark 13, Verses 32-37:"

    "nor the Son"

    The KJV doesn't state that. Ray, I'll work on something and post it in a week or so. Since it's half related to this forum I don't know where I'll post it.

    "Stating that loving God will send you to hell is getting pretty close to blasphemy as far as I am concerned."

    Nope, see 1 Corinthians 6 above. Stay tuned Ray. I'm not sure where the Lord is going to move me because I'm in a ranting mood now.
     
  13. Guest

    ""nor the Son"

    My mistake. I was thinking of Matthew 24:36.

    Matthew 24 is much better than Mark 13 IMO. It gives more details.

    Just make sure you read the KJV or KJV21 century, the others are fake.

    www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/
    www.avpublications.com/3_..._tract.htm

    I think www.kj21.com may be good as well.
    THe Lord has reveiled to me that the other versions are fake and I compared them myself. I about took a fit after using the NIV for a few years. Compare them and see for yourself.

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    "Now learn a parable of the fig tree: When her branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near.

    Mark 13

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    So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
    30
    Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.

    This generation will not come to pass so it's at the door.
    Israel became a nation in 1948 and this generation will not past, period!

    35
    Watch ye therefore, for ye know not when the Master of the house cometh -- at evening, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning --
    36
    lest coming suddenly, He find you sleeping.
    37
    And what I say unto you, I say unto all: Watch!"

    I'm watching. And I do know when the Lord Jesus Christ is coming. It will be 42 months or 7 years after the anti-christ takes over.

    20
    And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.

    This could mean that he may shorten the 42 months so we do not know the day or hour.
     
  14. Guest

    I hope the moderators will forgive me, bear with me, or move this thread, but I just can't let Rage's misconceptions go without a response.
    Thank you Rage. You have unknowingly paid me a compliment, demonstrating the danger of reading a translation hundreds of years old and assuming the words were used the same then as they are today. You called me a generous and noble person. Thanks again. And fortunately, this passage says that vile people will no longer be able to pull the wool over peoples eyes and delude them into thinking they are generous or noble.
    Rage, read before you rant. I didn't say anything about A loving God sending people to hell. In response to another of your screwed up posts I was warning you that your post had inferred that LOVING GOD would get people sent to hell. You are so afraid of love and God having anything to do with each other that you are blinded by your hate.

    As far as your assertion that the only "true" Bible is the KJV, your links are mistaken, or at least biased on several very important points. It is true that that probably at least 95% of all manuscripts are word for word the same. However, that being said, the relatively small number of variant texts are not found in more recent manuscripts which might have had more time to be "messed up", but in earlier manuscripts, written closer to the originals, long before the Bible became codified. The KJV was translated from the Byzantine family of Greek manuscripts. The earliest of these dates to the fourth century, and is probably at least two generations removed from the originals. Not a single early church father ever quotes a manuscript in this family, which would lead one to suspect these were not the earliest manuscripts, and cetainly not the ones upon those closest to the time of Jesus were depending. On the other hand, the other three families of manuscripts, and especially the Alexandrian family, so disparaged by your links, represent manuscripts which date much earlier and closer to the originals, and they are quoted extensively by the early church fathers. The KJV represents beautiful poetry. I spent my early years reading it. But most accurate or readable it isn't. Sorry Rage, but I am handicapped by not receiving my theological education from questionable sources on the internet, but from a highly accredited and recognized theological seminary which is part of a relatively conservative mainline denomination. I don't feel I have the luxury of making things up as I go along to suit my own agenda, I was trained to take the scripture seriously, and by diligent study, prayer, and God's guidance, find the truth God has placed there and in other sources. The scripture says that the time will come when people with itching ears will find preachers who will tell them what they want to hear, rather than what God's Word, (Jesus Christ), commands.
    There are lots of preachers out there today who are more than happy to tell people what they want to hear, that hate, anger, revenge, killing and all kinds of evil things are "OK." Sorry Rage, but I believe in "sound doctrine." It may not be what people want to hear, but I am going to keep telling God's truth to as many people as I can. Obviously, you assume that I am the one who is telling people what they want to hear. Yeah, right, that's why the message I bring is soooo popular these days. LOL Rage, its easy to tell people to hate. That's what people want to do anyway, and if you just give them permission, they'll love it. It's a whole lot harder to tell people to love and forgive. That goes against people's natural inclination. Like yours.

    My apologies again to the administrators and moderators of this forum. I did not intend to go on so long, and I hope not to have to post religious content on this particular forum again.
     
  15. Guest

    "Thank you Rage. You have unknowingly paid me a compliment, demonstrating the danger of reading a translation hundreds of years old and assuming the words were used the same then as they are today."

    Get real. Look at the churches today and they're ordaining homo's and women. And yes liberal means today what it meant back then.:rolleyes: :

    "I didn't say anything about A loving God sending people to hell."

    That's the problem. He's a God of judgement and salvation and you won't accept that fact.


    "As far as your assertion that the only "true" Bible is the KJV"

    It's true and God told me so. Look at when it was written. He (Luther) wrote it in the dark ages where the Roman Catholic Church controlled most of the world. Not only did he have to be smart to read them, but he had to get the info (manuscripts) from the Catholic Church. Then go against their wishes to write it when they killed people who disagreed. So he was protected by God to write it. Not the case with the new versions.

    "However, that being said, the relatively small number of variant texts are not found in more recent manuscripts which might have had more time to be "messed up", but in earlier manuscripts, written closer to the originals, long before the Bible became codified."

    See above. THis was the work of GOD and the other manuscripts are the work of Satan.

    "LOL Rage, its easy to tell people to hate."

    No man of God does this. If you think that's the message I'm sending then you're more out of whack than I thought.

    I have to go for breakfest so I didn't really spend the time that I wanted to address it.

    God has told me that the KJV is his word and the other translations aren't. KJ21 is the best of them all. It's obvious if you read them side by side. If you think the KJV isn't real then you're calling God a liar.
     
  16. Guest

    Rage,

    Since I'm turning all my CDs into MP3s, I came across this quote from a song that so perfectly fits you. It is by KANSAS, called "Carry On wayward Son"

    "If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know"

    Now admit it, isn't that you the the bone??? Guys, isn't that Rage perfectly described???

    Everyone, A round of applause for our un-wisest, Wiseman!!!
     
  17. Guest

    Rage, I already answered the rest of the items sufficiently for any reasonable person, so I will just address this issue. I know you have been reading sites about the KJV, did you go to the sites I sent you? Did you actually read any of the history of how the KJV came to be? Who wrote it? Who commissioned the writing? What country he was a king of? Where it was written? Let me give you a hint. It was written in English. King James was the king of.....England. The break from the Roman Catholic Church there was known as the Church of England. Martin Luther on the other hand brought about a break from the RCC in another land. A land which became filled with.... Lutherans. He wrote a bunch of stuff, including 95 complaints about the RCC, which he nailed to the church door in Wittenburg, which is in... Germany which is handy because he wrote these things, along with the rest of the stuff he wrote (which did include a translation of the Bible), in GERMAN. Other than that everything you wrote was completely accurate, almost. Kinda. Well, not really. Are you sure this is the inerrant God who has been speaking to you?
     
  18. Guest

    Yea, we're not going to agree on this one. The KJV21 is an update not a revised version that carefully changes some of the words no longer in use without changing the meaning or omitting anything. The people who revise God's word is people who think they know more than God.
    They also want to spin it for various reasons. I will have no part of that. This is what God revealed to me after I told him I was confused about some of the NIV text. I told you that in e-mail.
     
  19. Guest

    Yes Rage, another beautifully reasoned position. It is OK for you and your friends to change the Bible using relatively recent, corrupted manuscripts to work from. But if anyone else wants to use older, more reliable manuscripts as a base for a more accurate translation, that is from the devil. LOL Yeah, right. And knock it off with the "God told me, so you can't argue with me," line. That is the oldest excuse of false prophets in the book.
     

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