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Police: 13 dead; 58 injured in Colorado theater shooting

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Unknown, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Jul 20, 2012 #21 of 714
    veryoldschool

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    I wonder what the founding fathers would done if there were Winchesters around at the time.
    Their concept of a firearm meant you could only get one or two shots off per min.
    I doubt they ever envisioned their use like in this case, where 71 people were shot.
     
  2. Jul 20, 2012 #22 of 714
    veryoldschool

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    This did happen in an earlier shooting in a church.

    Now if "Driving" is any sign of how well "someone" can shoot, I'd be more worried about collateral damage.
     
  3. Jul 20, 2012 #23 of 714
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    Or Thompsons, or MAC-10s, or even Gatling Guns.
     
  4. Jul 20, 2012 #24 of 714
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    I wonder how many people realize how much ones's perspective when in a live firefight differs from the perspective we have when watching a TV show. If I were one of a few hundred people or so who heard shots, but if the first armed person I actually saw was the armed citizen who drew his weapon and fired at the initial shooter, my inclination would be to conclude that he was the initial shooter and to shoot at him. And then I would be the first armed shooter that others saw and they would be inclined to shoot at me.
     
  5. Jul 20, 2012 #25 of 714
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    Gatling Guns, not so much, as they were for military use and you just don't go walking around with them.

    Sort of following the line, it's the large mag assault rifles, that were for military use.
    Where does one draw the line?

    The Winchester repeating rifle made a big impact, but there may have been earlier ones.
     
  6. Jul 20, 2012 #26 of 714
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    That was the mistake the founders made when they wrote the constitution in many aspects. They wrote it based on what was important at the time. Not a mistake, really, but they did write it for their times, not ours. Even a movie theater in their time frame would have been miraculous. How could they have been expected to foresee what was to happen over the next few centuries?

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  7. Jul 20, 2012 #27 of 714
    veryoldschool

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    It was very relative at the time, because "the crown" prohibited them, as they still do.
    To take away the means to feed your family, is one thing, but "the right" to shoot 71 people in a theater doesn't fall under this.
    Laws need to evolve with the times.
     
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    Good point. Excellent. And if each person in the theater would have been armed, the bodies would have been in piles when the shooting was over. Now we'll begin to see metal detectors in theaters.

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  9. Jul 20, 2012 #29 of 714
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    Gun control is being able to hit your target. ;)
     
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    veryoldschool

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    And a driver's license means you know how to drive? :nono: :lol:
     
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    Right. When it was ratified in the late 1700s the Second Amendment was mainly phrased so that militias could be formed quickly. In 2008, it was amended so that it wasn't primarily for arming militias, but to protect the home. Even in 2008, could the Supreme Court have envisioned something like this?

    One of my sons is a police officer and he has no problem leaving his off duty gun in the car when his family comes to visit and neither does my nephew, who is...I can't tell you that on the Internet. Both are extremely well trained in firearms usage, as I am, but I just don't want them in my home. Nothing against guns, just the people that misuse them.

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    Something else the founders never imagined.

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  13. Jul 20, 2012 #33 of 714
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    Been biting my tongue on this one, but here it is: I still don't think anyone but law enforcement folks and servicemen (active duty and retired) should be able to carry guns. I see nothing wrong with having them in the home for protection (my fear is kids getting their hands on them, but I'm, probably wrongfully, assuming that people keep their guns in gun safes).

    OK, let me have it.

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  14. Jul 20, 2012 #34 of 714
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    Guess you've never heard of the two golden rules of firearm safety. Rule Number One: Never aim a gun at anything you do not intend to shoot. Rule Number Two: Always be sure of your target before pulling the trigger. ;)
     
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    It sounds like you're referring to the wave of "castle laws" that are sweeping the country. While they may have started with the best intent, the consequences are people getting shot in the back and killed for stealing a 12-pack of beer.
     
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    Guess you've never heard of the two golden rules of driving safety. Rule Number One: Never point your vehicle in any direction you do not intend to travel. Rule Number Two: Always be sure of your direction before pushing the accelerator.
     
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    And if Sharon Tate had packed a 38 you wouldn't know who Charles Manson is. ;)
     
  18. Jul 20, 2012 #38 of 714
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    With my rear wheel driver, I fail Rule number one way too many times.
    I steer the front with a wheel, and the rear with my foot. :lol:
     
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    I was thinking about the law that Florida passed recently, and that kid that was shot and killed because he was wearing a hoodie. Think of it, getting killed for walking home wearing the wrong kind of sweatshirt. My son and I both wear hoodies quite frequently.

    I thought the castle laws were for home protection, no?

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    You know he's 77, now?

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