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Pondering the change from Dish to Direct TV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by tuckercom, Sep 30, 2004.

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  1. tuckercom

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    Is there anyone in the Tulsa or OKC area that is using the HDTivo, getting the OTA's and are able to use the trick play functions (pause, record, etc.)for those OTA stations?

    I'm currently using the dish 921 which I do like, but not being able to record 3 of the 4 networks from OTA is getting me frustrated. I'm getting great signal strength from all OTA stations, but I'm only able to record the FOX affiliate. Not the NBC, CBS & ABC affiliates.

    Any help would be appricated.
     
  2. bavaria72

    bavaria72 I am one too! DBSTalk Gold Club

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    I also am considering moving back to D* around Christmas time however I have some questions about this whole Tivo thing. Say if I purchase the HR10-250 (I currently have the E* 811) do I have to pay that Tivo fee? Never have owned a Tivo. The DVR that comes with the E* equipment is perfectly OK by me. I really don’t care if I can’t search by name or what ever. I know what I want to record and I know when it is on so really don’t care to pay a monthly fee for that option. So do I have to pay a monthly Tivo fee or can I waive it but still have have basic recording functionality? Also, since D* is dumping Tivo, what exactly are they going to do in the future regarding recording devices? I really don’t want to drop a grand on an HR10-250 with Tivo and then 3 months later D* starts putting their own DVR in them. Any word on that? Thanks - Art
     
  3. djlong

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    D* is not "dumping" TiVo. It would appear that D* is positioning to have their own basic DVRs and TiVo being the 'deluxe' models.

    I'm in the same boat of getting ready to dump E* for D*
     
  4. RAD

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    Short answer on the Tivo fee is no, you can't not pay it, unless you have Total Choice Platinum, then it's waived. BTW, D*'s Tivo fee is $4.99, not the $12.99 for a non-D* Tivo.

    What's going to happen in the future is not clear, Yes, D* is going to come out with their own PVR's but no official specs have been released on their functionality.

    Art, you say you don't need Tivo but once you use name based recording you'll love it. For example, You want ER recorded, if you used a E* box and had it set to record the same date/time every week you'd have the debate tonight, not ER. Tivo knows and doesn't record anything today. Or you like Big Brother, which tends to change dates and times during it's run, no problem, Tivo knows that it changed and records it correctly.
     
  5. bavaria72

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    Thanks for the info. More to ponder....
     
  6. tuckercom

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    I would have to agree with RAD. I've had E* for 8 or so years. Then I moved to a new house with many trees, so I had to go to cable. I had the stand alone tivo, for use with cable and the NBR is pretty cool. I since, cleared a few trees, (couldn't stand the quality of cable) and went back to E*. I would agree Art that if you know what you want to record and when, then it's not that big a deal. But when programming changes, or like NBC will run some episode that goes 5 or 10 minutes longer, Tivo knows it, and your not missing the end. Also, like mentioned above, ER won't be on because of the debates, so it won't record it.

    I would like to know if the HD10-250 has any problems with the OTA program guides, and if it does record the OTA channels. As I mentioned above, the E* 921 isn't recording 3 of 4 of my important OTA's. If the HD10-250 will, then I'm going to switch.
     
  7. RAD

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    I have a HD10-250 and the OTA works fine except for one broadcaster that messes around with PSIP. They should normally be using channel 26.1 for their main station and they should be using 26.2 for another station that they own but to save costs use a subchannel. The problem is they use PSIP to remap to channels 1.1 and 1.2, which really isn't valid according to the standards so the OTA guide doesn't show programming for 1.1 and 1.2. It does show the correct programming for 26.1 and 26.2 but the HR10-250 has a problem where it's shifting up by .1 so nothing is on 26.1 and 26.2 has 26.1 program. Clear as mud???? There's a thread on this issue and other threads on the HR10-250 over at www.tivocommunity.com. I've had my box since May and except for this problem and the missing logo issue, which was fixed a week or so ago by a download, it's been fine, even the HDMI output.
     
  8. tuckercom

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  10. MikeHDTulsa

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    I get all the Tulsa digital channels on my HD TiVo and the guide data has been great for all the channels except for PBS but I think it is still in test mode. I had been with Dish Network for 5 years and switched to DirecTV in January and I have had my HD TiVo for at least 4 months and it has not missed a recording yet. You can pause, rewind, FF, frame by frame advance, and 30 second skip on the local HD channels just like the satellite channels and the picture looks great.
     
  11. tuckercom

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    "I get all the Tulsa digital channels on my HD TiVo and the guide data has been great for all the channels except for PBS but I think it is still in test mode. I had been with Dish Network for 5 years and switched to DirecTV in January and I have had my HD TiVo for at least 4 months and it has not missed a recording yet. You can pause, rewind, FF, frame by frame advance, and 30 second skip on the local HD channels just like the satellite channels and the picture looks great."

    Great! Thanks for the insight. It is comforting to know that if I make the change, that it will work. As you are probably aware, we are struggling over here at E*.

    Thanks again.
     
  12. bavaria72

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    Struggling is an understatement Tuckercom. Of course if D* hadn't been such jerks 16 months ago about upgrading my 6 year old equipment I wouldn't even be having this conversation. And lets not even bring up the ugly wounds regarding D* abandoning those of us who bought into their forray into terrestrial DSL (what a debacle that was.) :mad:
     
  13. tuckercom

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    That's a great idea. I'll go that route for now. Both Best Buy & Circuit City are here is Tulsa.
     
  14. bavaria72

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    Good luck on finding one. Neither the BB or CC in Frisco (North Dallas) have them in stock. they say they are on back order. Perhaps you will have better luck than me.
     
  15. RAD

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    The BB by me had 15 to 20 out on shelves the last time I was there a couple of weeks ago. I was surprised to see so many there on the shelves.
     
  16. rpope02

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    No problems here from OKC, or my parents in Tulsa. We are able to record with no problem. I do know what you are talking about though becuase I did get a 921 to try and was not able to record OTA. E said it should be fixed in October with a software upgrade..I took it back, why send 1k on something that doesn't work. By the way, get rid of the flag! Go Pokes!
     
  17. tuckercom

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    Great, an aggie. Well, thanks for your input. I think that I will make the change. I have seen a handful around here that isn't having any OTA problems with the HD10-250. Wish I had gone that route first.
     
  18. JerryR

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    Hmmmmmmmmm..............I currently have D* (for nine years now - switching to E* this coming Weds. local channels issue) and a Sony Series 1 stand alone TiVo - it ALWAYS misses the ending if a program runs long - unless I safeguard and manually add minutes - and ALWAYS misses a "double run" such as when Will & Grace runs a double episode (set to record via Season Pass) it always misses the second episode immediately following the first. Is this a problem with a series one TiVo or a bug??
     
  19. tuckercom

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    That's a new one to me. I never experienced that kind of problem. I had Tivo for 6 mths and I don't recall that ever happening.
     
  20. Alan Keith

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    I can save you some time shopping since our BB does not have a Directv working in the store and CC does not have any HDTIVO's is stock. They both seem to be clueless about what it takes to sell something.
     
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