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Poor Whole Home networking

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by KSbugeater, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Nope, he'd found a $10-12 cheap SWiM amp online, and just couldn't understand it not only wouldn't fix the problem, but didn't pass the DECA signal either.

    BTW: Sonora has release a new SWiM amp and shot themselves in the foot. The simply raised the diplexer crossover of they earlier SWiM amp, so it passes DECA. Since this is a passive path, if the coax run is so long that you need an amp, without amplifying the DECA, it doesn't work.
     
  2. Shades228

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    I remember someone going through sonora for their system and it wasn't needed at all as it was something simple like that. It may have been a bs filter on the dish. It's been too long.
     
  3. KSbugeater

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    Your edits to my setup diagram are mostly correct, however the line for the HR22 is a long run that includes about 25' of RG59 and a barrel connector. The line to the HR24 was SWM8 -> splitter -> SWM PI -> combiner with router DECA -> HR24.

    When I say combiner, I mean that the line from the SWM PI went in one of the split ends, and the line from the router DECA went in the other, then on to the HR24. The DECA PI was on the other end of the router DECA.

    I'm using past tense because I took the router DECA out of the system earlier this evening.

    Any other details you need clarification on? I'm going to take a picture of the Coax network you requested now.
     
  4. veryoldschool

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    Sonora is good at selling, but weak at sorting through what works and what's needed.
     
  5. ndole

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    This
     
  6. veryoldschool

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    This "sounds backwards", which is why I keep asking for a layout.

    SWiM -> PI -> splitter input -> DECA & receiver on outputs.
     
  7. KSbugeater

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    Coax network stats from the 24.
     

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  8. veryoldschool

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    The 38 is a bit on the high side, "BUT" within range by a good 5 Db.
     
  9. KSbugeater

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    Then I had it backward compared to the order you describe. But it's out of the system now. Next move?
     
  10. veryoldschool

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    Before this goes any farther, I want to see a layout that shows what you have fairly accurately. I can't suggest things while being kept in the dark.
     
  11. KSbugeater

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    Ok, here is the system as it stands now. Btw, the HR24 has reset at least 5 times tonight. I didn't label the splitters but they are the same kind you show in your edits of my ppt. Sorry if it seems like I'm being cryptic. I had to download an app just to make this drawing.
     

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  12. veryoldschool

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    They don't need to be "nice", and you've given me a good look at things now, though I need to turn sideways. :lol:

    Why a switch on the HR20?

    How would the CCK connect?
    I ask, because if the splitter is connected correctly, it should have green LEDs.

    You said all the mesh were above 200, but were they above 220?

    The 24 that keeps rebooting, may need to be replaced.
     
  13. KSbugeater

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    Why a switch on the HR20?
    I used to have another hr20 hooked up in the basement. It was fed by 2 legacy ports and the switch gave both hrs network access. I can remove it if you think it would help. (it also gives Internet to the blurry player)


    How would the CCK connect?
    I ask, because if the splitter is connected correctly, it should have green LEDs.

    I don't have a cck. The DECA did have green LEDs, until it didn't every so often.

    You said all the mesh were above 200, but were they above 220?

    Not sure, but I think so. I just unplugged the hr24 to put it out of its misery. 3 more reboots since I last wrote.

    The 24 that keeps rebooting, may need to be replaced.[/QUOTE]
     
  14. veryoldschool

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    CCK is what a DECA connected to a router is called these days.

    This layout looks like a good setup:

    image-2098415419.png

    The splitters need to have the green labels, and having one between the PI and the 24 is a good thing. It won't help its rebooting but should help with DECA.
     
  15. KSbugeater

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    Would the CCK need it's PI?
     
  16. veryoldschool

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    If you're using the old white DECA for the CCK, it needs its own PI, which I think you showed in your first layout.

    The bad numbers "most likely" came from the splitter being backwards [if it really was].

    "The thing is" you need to look at the system as a whole, since it all interacts with each other.
     
  17. KSbugeater

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    But even now that the cck and the rebooting hr24 are out of the system, the connections are still popping on and off. Do I need to reboot the 3 remaining hrs so they are on the same page?
     
  18. veryoldschool

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    I'd go back to the CCK being connected and then reboot all the receivers.
    This will get them all back on the router IPs and if the 24 is rebooting, I'd still connect it, but leave its power cord removed. Any open ports or coax will cause problems, so even with the 24 connected but unplugged, it will act as a termination for the coax.

    "Maybe" the best powering up cycle would be:

    Connect everything, but leave power cords removed.
    Power up the CCK.
    Then power up the receivers one at a time, and wait for each to come up before going to the next.

    This should resync everything and you can monitor what's happening from a fresh starting point.
     
  19. KSbugeater

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    I reconnected the cck in the manner you prescribed last evening. Thought things were going pretty well, but this evening they are popping off frequently.

    Disclosure: the line from the splitter to the HR22 has a twist on connector. However, this hasn't caused problems before and when all the units were connected minus the CCK, all phy rate mesh levels were 220 or above.

    Also, I thought i figured out what was making the HR 24 reboot: the refurb AM21 attached to it and thru which power flows. It seemed to be stable for a day. But I came home this eve and discovered less than an hour in the buffer despite no channel changes or recordings.

    I checked on the DECA connected to the HR22 while it was disconnected, and the DECA LEDs were dark. (the HR22 lights were on as it was recording. The recording was not interrupted.
     
  20. KSbugeater

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    I'm really getting frustrated by this network. Yes, I built it myself, but it worked solidly for at least 2 years. The problems seemed to begin when I moved some things around in my son's room, where the PI and the router are located. The HR24 is flaky (I thought maybe it was the AM21 that was the problem, but the HR24 reboots even with the AM21 offline) but even when it stays on, I still get receivers popping on and off the network. I took the router and its DECA out of the loop, but still they pop on and off. Now I read about a DECA catching fire and I'm starting to think that maybe HR34 with clients is the way to go.

    1. VOS, I haven't heard from you in a while. Was the twist-on connector the last straw for you? Should I buy a compression tool and fix that before I do anything else?
    2. Can the flaky HR24 be causing the network problems even if it's not actually rebooting? It's no longer on the same line as the SWM PI.
    3. I'm really leaning toward replacing the SWM8 with a SWM16, since I'm back to 5 DVRs so one has to use the legacy ports. Could it be that the SWM8 is flaky? I've also experienced some tuning issues that were not weather related.
     

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