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Possibly upgrading to HD

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by mccoady, Jul 2, 2010.

  1. Jul 2, 2010 #1 of 50
    mccoady

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    My mom has two Dish receivers a 3700 and either a 300 series or 500 series receiver and I have been trying to get her to upgrade to HD for a couple of years now, one receiver is in her living room and one is in her basement. She does have a sd Tivo (single tuner) on her living room tv but the digital converter box it requires to receive OTA locals does cause her problems so it would be nice to just retire it.

    So what she really needs is a HD dual tuner dvr on her living room tv since this is where she does most of her viewing, plus I have her current sat and Tivo signal sent from this location to two bedrooms via Leapfrogs. It would also be nice to upgrade her basement sat receiver to HD but it wouldn't have to be a dvr unless it was cheap enough but it's important the living room tv has a dual tuner to that tv.

    She does not get her locals through Dish but rather via a OTA antenna. Questions:

    1. If she signs up for auto pay and paperless billing should she quality for "free HD for life"?

    2. What HD receivers would you recommend one needs to be a dvr and if possible that dvr needs to be able to receiver a signal from a OTA antenna?

    3. I believe she has the 250 channel package but I'm trying to figure out how much more a month this upgrade will cost her if she qualifies for Free HD since currently she doesn't pay a dvr fee?
     
  2. Jul 2, 2010 #2 of 50
    BattleZone

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    1. Yes.

    2. Can you give us a slightly better summary of what you need, and where? (Room name, HD?, DVR service?) Like this:

    - Living Room: HD, DVR
    - Master Bedroom: DVR
    - Bedroom 2: HD
    - Office: SD

    If there is cable already run to the other bedrooms, then mirroring a TV2 feed to them should be easy, though it is not FREE, as the installer only gets paid to hook up the TVs that will be fed by their own Dish receiver output.
     
  3. Jul 2, 2010 #3 of 50
    harsh

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    Suggestion 1: Get a ViP722K
    Suggestion 2: Lose both SD receivers and the TiVo

    DISH will see that it gets wired so you don't need the TiVo or the Leapfrog stuff. Running both TVs off of the same DVR reduces TV channel changing and remote control shuffling.
     
  4. Jul 2, 2010 #4 of 50
    mccoady

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    Well kind of like I said she needs a HD DVR in the living room and a HD receiver in the basement she would never use a DVR in the basement but upgrading to HD there would be nice. The only reason to consider a HD DVR in the basement over a regular HD Receiver would be if there wasn't much of a difference in price but as far as actually using a DVR in the basement she just wouldn't. She likes to record her local channels on the Tivo and what she doesn't get watched in the living room she watches in one of the bedrooms at night.

    I really don't want use a Vip722 and split the tuners since she would get more use out of a 722 with both tuners used on the living room tv, so many times with her Tivo she needed a second tuner and didn't have it. So:

    Living Room: HD DVR
    Basement: HD Receiver

    Now as far as her bedrooms there is no cable ran to either that's why I had to resort to the Leapfrogs but it's really not the best situation because she does get interference from her router (I think). The living room tv has connected a Sat receiver, Tivo, and Dvd and the way I have it set up for her is all three feed a remote switcher http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=180-935 then that feeds a Leapfrog transmitter which feeds a Leapfrog receiver unit in each bedroom.

    The problem I'm having with my mom is she doesn't want to pay to get her locals through Dish so that means I have to have a way to record her locals which is what her Tivo is doing now via an OTA antenna which by the way has great reception. She currently has no way to record sat channels but that doesn't seem to bother her as long as her locals get recorded. I really believe she would watch more Sat if she could record them but having an sd Tivo with one tuner kind of limits what she can do though.

    If she ends up upgrading to HD and they have to come out to upgrade the dish (besides installing the receivers) do you think they would be willing to run cable to her two bedrooms if we paid them? This would amount to running cable from the back of her living room tv to outside of the house (brick exterior) and then around the house into each bedroom anyway that's the option I can see. It sure would be nice to have cable ran to those bedrooms but any idea what something like this might cost?
     
  5. Jul 2, 2010 #5 of 50
    coldsteel

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    OK, then you're looking at a 612 and a 211. The tech will run any and all cabling needed. No additional charge.
     
  6. Jul 2, 2010 #6 of 50
    mccoady

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    About the 612 I found a picture of the rear panel it has two Sat coax inputs and one OTA input so just to be clear this means I can record both Sat and OTA right?

    I also see that it will only record 30 hours of HD which isn't very much so wouldn't the 722 which can record 55 hours of HD be a better choice?
     
  7. Jul 2, 2010 #7 of 50
    BattleZone

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    The OP is asking for 2 additional mirrored outlets, which is NOT free and NOT included. What *is* included is only the cable to the receivers.

    I would suggest a 722 and a 211. The 722 HD-DVR would use the HD TV1 feed for the Living Room, and the TV2 feed could be run (with one mirror) to feed the two bedrooms with DVR service in SD (all TV2 outputs are SD only). The 211 (HD, non-DVR receiver) would go in the basement. Since the 722 would be the primary receiver, it wouldn't cost anymore than a 612, but has more capabilities and more hard drive space.

    Typically, the cost to run a mirrored outlet is $45, paid to the installer. Since the tech will need to run a TV2 feed from the 722 to one of the two bedrooms, only one additional mirror is needed.
     
  8. Jul 3, 2010 #8 of 50
    mccoady

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    BattleZone it's not quite clear to me how the 722 works since I'm used to D* receivers. If the tuners are split as you have suggested where TV2 is ran to one of the bedrooms does that mean if something was recording in the living room using one tuner she would have to go to her bedroom to watch something live on the other tuner?

    I guess I'm a little confused does the 722 actually have three tuners, two sat tuners and one OTA tuner and if so can any of them be watched or recorded all at the same time?
     
  9. Jul 3, 2010 #9 of 50
    RasputinAXP

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    The 722 has 2 satellite tuners and 1 OTA tuner; all three can record simultaneously AND you can watch one recorded item while they're all in use.

    In Single Mode, all outputs receive the same "display" and you can use Swap to change between them, though OTA is only viewable on "TV1".

    In Dual Mode, the 'local' display is TV1 and the coax display is TV2. You can watch anything you've recorded on either TV and the two will operate independent of each other. OTA is still only viewable on TV1.

    Edit: Which is to say if she's the only one in the house, and doesn't need to have 2 TVs running simultaneously, Single Mode accomplishes what it sounds like you want.
     
  10. mccoady

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    Okay what I need however this can be accomplished is I want to get rid of the Tivo and Leapfrogs to the two bedrooms and no matter what I do it appears I need coax cable ran to each one.

    1. She needs to be able to watch and record programs (both OTA and Sat) from her living room Sat receiver. She does have the OTA antenna hooked directly to her LR tv so she does have the option of watching it from there.

    2. Then she needs to be able to watch live OTA and live Sat tv in her bedrooms plus watch any recorded programs.

    In a nutshell in Dual Mode the LR tv would have one Sat tuner and the OTA tuner but the BR tv would only have one Sat tuner with no live OTA although both would have access to recorded programs, is this correct?
     
  11. phrelin

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    mccoady, maybe everyone else understands, but I'm confused. How many TVs are we talking about, how many of them are HD, and how many would need to be independently controlled because people will be watching different programs on different TVs at the same time?
     
  12. mccoady

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    Well I'm getting confused to and I'm the one trying to explain this.(LOL)

    First lets just forget about the basement tv since I've decided she just needs a HD Receiver (no Dvr). All of the below are HD TV's:

    Living Room - 47" LCD
    Bedroom 1 - 50" Plasma
    Bedroom 2 - 19" LCD

    As it stands now I'm mirroring her LR TV and LR Tivo (which is her live OTA signal) to both BR's TV's via Leapfrogs but I want her to upgrade to a HD DVR connected to this LR TV and at the same time get rid of the Tivo and Leapfrogs plus still get Sat and maybe Live OTA to both BR's. It does sound though like getting Live OTA to the BR's might be an issue she may or may not be flexible on this I just don't know... Currently from each BR she can watch (via Leapfrogs) Sat Live and Tivo Live/Recorded programs. BR 1 is her main BR and while the tv is HD I'm not too worried about the quality of the signal since anything will probably be as good as the Leapfrog signal.

    If I remember correctly the Sat and Tivo signal going to each BR TV operates independently of what is watched from the LR TV. I think my mom kind of likes it this way in case the grand kids stay with her but she might be flexible with this. I'm just trying to get all the options before I set her down to try to explain all of this.

    Been doing some reading is it true that you get no channel guide for OTA unless you subscribe to locals? Hard to believe this is true because if you had to subscribe to locals you would be getting your locals through Dish defeating the purpose of using the OTA antenna (except for another tuner) which would be worthless without a guide.
     
  13. coldsteel

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    What you might do is get a 722 and 222, if the bedrooms don't need to be HD. 722 in the living room, TV2 to her bedroom; 222 in basement, TV2 in other bedroom.
     
  14. phrelin

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    Let me begin with an assumption that 90%+ of the time she is the only one watching any TV in the house. And I'm going to assume that it's reasonable for someone other than a Dish installer to run a single HD cable (HDMI or component/optical) from the living room to the master bedroom and coax for rf between all four rooms.

    If it were me, I'd put a 722k in the living room. I'd feed the living room TV and the master bedroom from it's TV1 feed, one using HDMI and the other using component/optical. I'd use the TV2 RF feed to feed both bedrooms and the office (basement?).

    During the 90%+ of the time, she would be able in either the living room or the master bedroom to watch recorded or live satellite or OTA TV in HD from the TV1 output. When the grandkids are there she would have the option of switching to the RF input on the master bedroom TV if she wants to watch something different from what they're watching in the living room - settling for SD.

    Unless she spends an awful lot of time watching that 19" LCD, she doesn't need HD there.

    Yes you need to subscribe to locals to get the guide. Dish only offers a limited number of locals, but the guide normally covers everything. I guess one can look at it this way, if you have a 722k with two OTA signals and two satellite signals, she can record four locals at once.:sure:

    That's my opinion, it's free and worth every penny.:)
     
  15. mccoady

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    True or False?

    1. Regardless of whether she goes with a 722 & 211 or a 722 & 222 and regardless whether the 722 is used in Single or Dual Mode she would just be charged $6 for DVR Service Fee and $7 for her Receiver Fee plus of course her programing package.

    2. If she goes with a 722 & 211 and the 722 is run in Dual Mode Dish will run cable for that TV2 run (BR1) as part of the installation with no extra charge. And if she goes with a 722 & 222 and the 722 is run in Dual Mode Dish will run cable for not only the TV2 run (BR1) from 722 but also the TV2 run from 222 (BR2) as part of the installation with no extra charge.

    3. If she goes with a 722 & 211 and ran in Single Mode any additional cable runs to BR1 & BR2 to mirror the 722 could run an additional $45 per run but Dish will not require any extra monthly charges for mirroring the 722.
     
  16. coldsteel

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    1: No, the additional receiver fee for a 222 is $14, not $7.

    2 & 3: Correct, but the cost of the mirroring is up to the tech.
     
  17. mccoady

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    Okay then if she stays with a 722 & 211 then $7 correct?

    Any idea what she will pay for a 722, a 211, a HD dish upgrade and installation (not counting any additional cable runs I might want)?

    Any disadvantages dealing with a local Dish dealer?
     
  18. coldsteel

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    I'll go worst-case for upgrade costs. $200 for a duo-TV HDDVR (cannot specify model) and $100 for a 211. $95 to install, $15 if she has the Service Plan. Agent can add additional TV codes, no extra charge for you, so the installer gets paid.

    Going through a local installer, theymay charge for the add'l runs.
     
  19. mccoady

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    You mean I can't specifically order a 722 and a 211 what other duo-TV HDDVR could they send me?

    I had no idea they would charge almost $100 for installation I just upgraded to HD with DirecTV and got one HD receiver, dish upgrade and installation all for free.
     
  20. coldsteel

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    You can ask for a 211, no problem, but Dish considers the 622, 722 and 722K all Duo-TV HDDVRs, and do not differentiate between them.
     

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