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Possibly upgrading to HD

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by mccoady, Jul 2, 2010.

  1. mccoady

    mccoady AllStar

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    Looking at receivers on Dish website I do not see listed the 622 but there is a 625?

    So if place an order for a HD upgrade I basically won't know what receivers the installer is bringing until he gets there?

    I'm a little confused on the HD programing package she currently has America's Top 250 so with this "free HD for life" promo it just slides over to 250 HD?

    With the 622 or 722 in dual mode when viewing from TV1 (LR) there must be some sort of swap button but I assume this would only swap between TV1 tuner and the OTA tuner correct?
     
  2. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    DISH really doesn't want to tell you what receiver you will get until they figure it out (what's on the truck?). The 622/722 are interchangeable in their corporate mind. You can specify and pay more for a 922 but below that you're going to get a "HD Duo DVR" which could be the 622 or 722.

    The 625 is a SD Duo DVR similar to the 522.

    The HD Free for Life requires autopay, paperless and a two year commitment. But otherwise when she adds HD she will get this deal. If she doesn't want the commitment she can pay $10 for the base HD.

    On TV one you view OTA channels just like any satellite channel. You're not swapping between satellite and OTA, the OTA tuner integrates with the satellite channels. OTAs are not available on TV two (unless you use the tuner on the second TV to directly watch a channel).
     
  3. mccoady

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    Dual Mode: LR gets TV1 with one Sat tuner and one OTA tuner while BR 1 gets TV2 tuner. It also looks like she will have to subscribe to locals for two reasons, (1) so she can watch locals on TV2 and (2) to receive a guide for OTA locals for TV1. So with subscribing to locals plus OTA tuner on TV1 she can watch one Sat channel/one Local channel at the same time or two Local channels (one OTA). TV2 can watch a Sat or Local Channel.

    To be clear she would have no trouble recording two Local channels at the same time with TV1 in this setup correct?
     
  4. James Long

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    I don't believe one can not subscribe to locals any more. They are included in all markets and cannot be removed.

    You are correct about the recording capabilities ... although TV2 can only view/record local channels as they are delivered via satellite (consider them all sat channels). TV1 can watch/record OTA plus satellite. Once something is recorded it can be viewed on either TV.

    You can actually record three things at a time (one OTA, one sat TV1 and one sat TV2) at a time while playing back two different things to TV1 and TV2 all at the same time. The feeds can all be HD or a mix of HD and SD. (Output to TV2 is downcoverted to SD.) The 722k has a dual OTA receiver which allows two OTAs to be recorded at the same time (four simultaneous recordings ... two OTA and two via satellite).
     
  5. mccoady

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    Yeah I just noticed on my mom's account she has an older America's Top 250 programming package without locals which is not a current programming package.

    I meant to say TV2 can view sat channels which would include locals.

    Clearly there is a difference with the 722/722K having a bigger hard drive and the K version an extra tuner I know I wouldn't be too happy if she ended up with the 30GB drive 622 whereas the 55GB 722 would be perfect for her. In fact if I had a choice I would want the 722K but I suppose asking for two OTA tuners wouldn't help.

    Last couple of questions shouldn't I be able to split the signal coming out of the TV2 output to both her bedrooms without any problems?

    Knowing that she will have to pay to have a second cable ran to her second bedroom is this between the installer and me when he gets here or should this be mentioned when dealing with Dish about the upgrade?
     
  6. coldsteel

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    Um, that's not GB, 55 is the HD capacity in hours, or 350 SD, and 200 SD/30 HD on the 622. Either can have an external drive capability added for $40.

    Also, have the agent add an additional TV code to the upgrade work order.
     
  7. mccoady

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    Sorry don't know what I was thinking!

    Is this so the TV2 remote doesn't interfere with the TV1 remote?
     
  8. coldsteel

    coldsteel Hall Of Fame

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    No it's so the tech will get paid for mirroring the second TV2.
     
  9. TulsaOK

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    So will the tech will run an additional line to the second TV2?
     
  10. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    While the ViP 622 is no longer manufactured, but they are still floating around in the system as refurbished models and new old stock.

    Any similarity between the 625 and the ViP 622 stems from sloppiness on the part of forum posters omitting the "ViP" element of the model number.
     
  11. coldsteel

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    If the agent adds an additional TV install code to the work order, yes.
     
  12. neilo

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    I have a 522 and I'm thinking of adding an HD receiver (adding, because until I get a new receiver there is no way I can empty the 522). They would need to add to or replace the satellite dish with one that receives HD signals. Would a new one be able to feed both receivers?

    Also, when recording to an HD receiver - I guess you have a choice of HD or SD programming. Can you record two HD programs at a time? I know you can only view the HD programs in HD on one TV (from one HD unit), right?

    How much is upgrade installation these days?

    Thanks.
     
  13. Jim5506

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    The Dish 1000.X dish has a built in switch that will feed up to 3 dual tuner HD receivers and that includes dual tuner SD receivers. Just run one cable to the HD receiver and one to your 522.

    Dish HD DVR's can record at least 2 HD satellite feeds and can also record at least one HD OTA feed (722k with optional OTA module can record 2 OTA signals at the same time).

    You must contact Dish for up grade pricing.
     
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    Thanks for the information.
     
  15. mccoady

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    Finally got my mom convinced to upgrade so they are coming to do the install tomorrow hopefully bringing a 722 and 211 with the former running in dual mode to one of the bedrooms. The install includes runs to 3 tvs LR tv (TV1), BR1 tv (TV2) and basement tv (211). I told Dish agent I wanted to play extra to mirror off of the TV2 feed to a second bedroom but he insisted it couldn't be done without setting up a second appt which would cost $95 instead of $45 with tomorrows install (two different CS agents said this) so I'm not too happy about that.

    What are the chances of the installer agreeing to run a mirror to BR2 if I pay him directly? I think to run the cable to BR1 (which is included in install) he will have to run the cable on the outside of the house and come back into the BR1 but BR2 is right beside BR1 so a simple splitter could be used at that point making it fairly easy to run into BR2.

    Never used a Dish dvr before only a Tivo and D* HR24 so I'm hoping it will be easy for me to figure out and explain to my mom.

    Is there anything I need to know about setting up Season Passes/Series Links besides bringing up the guide, hitting record, and selecting new/first run, I assume there is a priority list I can rearrange?

    Does using the 722 in dual mode effect how I setup Season Passes (weekly shows) I will probably get in front of the 722 and setup all her programming I will want to record HD shows over SD ones. She will have OTA antenna connected to the 722 plus having locals through Dish (HD 250 Package).

    I don't really understand Record Plus or whether she needs to use it, her 722 just needs to be set so she can live watch programming during the day from LR tv plus also record Dr Phil and Oprah... then in the evening she goes to the bedroom to watch live programming or watch recorded shows. Does the 722 need to be set to record any particular way to achieve this or will it simply record on whatever tuner not in use?
     
  16. Jim5506

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    Do not use season passes, they record the show wherever it appears (any channel), instead, just set up a timer for the channel needed and the receiver will record it weekly (that is unless you want EVERY episode of the Simpsons - reruns and all).

    Record plus allows you to specify the primary recording tuner for all non conflicted recordings. In this case it's probably best to set it to record using the TV2 tuner leaving the TV1 tuner free for anytime viewing. This will only impact viewing on the remote tv in BR2 (must watch what is being recorded if recording is active).

    There is no way to specify that the receiver record on the tuner not in use, you either record on the tuner where the timer is set or use Record plus to record on a specified tuner (usually TV2).
     
  17. mccoady

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    Jim is setting up a recording from the guide by selecting a show to record weekly considered a timer recording or Season Pass?
     
  18. James Long

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    Via the guide would create a normal timer recording. A "Season Pass" (DISH Pass) is set up through the Daily Schedule or Timers List menus and allows one to set up a timer that searches for text instead of a specific program.

    The options for DISH Pass are different ... one can select a channel by number or all channels, one can also set preference for SD or HD recording (yes, one can set SD only). On normal recordings it only applies to the channel chosen with no regard to HD or SD or other options. (If you set a timer on a SD channel it will record the SD channel even after a HD channel is added. One must recreate their timers to go between SD and HD.)
     
  19. mccoady

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    Sounds like setting up a timer from the guide is the same as Season Pass/Series Link so that is what I want to use.

    James when setting up a timer from the guide will it select to record a program in HD or SD?
     
  20. James Long

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    It will choose the channel you have chosen from the guide. For example, if you choose "The Daily Show" from HD 107 the timer will set on the HD channel. If you choose "The Daily Show" from the non-HD 107 the timer will set on the SD channel.
     

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