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PPV prices about to go up

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by curt8403, Dec 23, 2008.

  1. Dec 23, 2008 #21 of 122
    FlBillsfan

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    Netflix & PPV both are for viewing movies therefore are similar products. It takes addl hardware to watch PPV in HD also. (HD reveiver or DVR) A Bluray player should last many years, therefore like the purchase of Direct TV equipment, will pay for itself in enjoyment value OVER MANY YEARS.
     
  2. Dec 23, 2008 #22 of 122
    gregjones

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    And if you watch three movies a month from Netflix and buy a Blu-Ray player, you are paying 8.89 per movie to watch them.

    (200 + 119.88)/36 = 8.89

    I'm just pointing out that you can't ignore buying the hardware if you are comparing apples to apples.
     
  3. Dec 23, 2008 #23 of 122
    gregjones

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    Yes, and being that the post is in a DirecTV forum, the viewer already has HD equipment for viewing PPV movies from DirecTV. If the viewer has a Blu-Ray player already, then they just have to watch at least 25 movies a year to make Blu-Ray + Netflix cheaper.

    Even at a five year rate for the Blu-Ray, you still have to rent 33 movies a year from Netflix to make it cheaper. Many people will rent more than that. If they do, and can wait for the movie to arrive, Netflix is a better choice. If they would rent a movie every few weeks, Netflix is more expensive. This is especially true if they already own an HD receiver but don't own a Blu-Ray player.


    EDIT: Of course, if you are philosophically opposed to PPV, it won't be your choice. If you WANT a Blu-Ray player regardless, you will convince yourself it is the way to go. But as far as making a decision purely on dollars and cents, you just have to determine the number of movies you plan to rent each year. Then a rational decision is obvious based on that number.
     
  4. Dec 23, 2008 #24 of 122
    Renard

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    I never bought PPV, with this 24 hour rule, now no chance that i will buy a PPV movie, ridiculous :nono2:
     
  5. Dec 23, 2008 #25 of 122
    DogLover

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    I think I would have to disagree with you on this statement. PPV, Netflix, and Redbox all are different delivery methods for a similar product. That product is movies that are out of the theater, and recently were/soon will be released on DVD. For that matter the premium movie channels also are a variation of this product.

    I do agree that they all fill different niches. The cost/benefit depends on each person's particular circumstances. If you already have a blue ray player (ps3 or because you buy some BDs) then you don't have to factor in that cost and maybe netflix is cheaper.

    However, with netflix you have to plan ahead. Redbox is more spontaneous, but may or may not be convenient. It also seems to have a more limited library at any one time.

    PPV does fill a niche, but with the limitation of 24 hours and this rumored price increase, that niche is shrinking. Other options are becoming more and more attractive. I do think that they may be pricing PPVs out of profitability.
     
  6. Dec 23, 2008 #26 of 122
    chevyguy559

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    Well, I better use my free PPV coupon I got for signing up before the price goes up....

    But to add to the discussion, aren't the movies offered on PPV newer than what you can get via Netflix or Redbox? If so, then I can see how people would continue to use them....I'm not much of a movie buff so I can wait until it comes out on a premium channel. I will be getting a Netflix account though, once they offer HD movies via the Xbox 360 :D
     
  7. Dec 23, 2008 #27 of 122
    l8er

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    Rational as long as it's the same as yours? :eek2:
     
  8. Dec 23, 2008 #28 of 122
    DarinC

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    Your math is assuming that you would be getting a BR player solely as an alternative to buying PPV movies on DirecTV. It completely ignores the fact that many people may already have, or want to buy a Blu-ray player because: the video quality can be much better; the audio quality can be much better, there is a ton of content not available on PPV, and what is on PPV is only for a limited time; you can use it for movies you purchase and keep; there are features available on physical media that isn't available on PPV; oh, and there's no time limit. Some people might already have a BR player in their gaming console.
     
  9. Dec 23, 2008 #29 of 122
    Alan Gordon

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    That's over-simplified math.

    You're assuming that people are going to buy a Blu-ray player simply for PPV... and not own any movies. Over the next few years, most HDTV owners will be upgrading to Blu-ray, so the price of the Blu-ray player will not be counted in the price of PPV/rent.

    Also, even in my dinky little town, the local rental store is renting Blu-ray movies. I don't know how much they charge for them, but I doubt it's much difference than $4.99/$5.99.

    You're also forgetting that the PPV price increases make the premium channels prices seem better.

    Not to mention that PQ comes into play with Blu-ray. People might be willing to settle for inferior PQ (PPV) if they pay less, but if they have have to pay the same or extra, Blu-ray will look like the better choice... especially for those with the ability to use "lossless" audio.

    EDIT: I noticed DarinC brought up some of the same issues I did, as well as some I didn't think of.

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  10. Dec 23, 2008 #30 of 122
    Jimmy 440

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    I have haven't bought a PPV movie since 2001.I'll goto Blockbuster if there's a must see movie.
     
  11. Dec 23, 2008 #31 of 122
    gregjones

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    Not at all. If you watch 20 movies a year, Netflix is more expensive. That is a fact. If you watch 70 movies a year, Netflix is less expensive. Netflix makes money because a lot of people pay for unlimited rentals and only end up renting one or two movies a month. They count on it. DirecTV makes money because for a lot of people PPV is convenient.

    Being philosophically opposed to PPV doesn't make it expensive. Hating going to the mailbox doesn't make Netflix more expensive. There are lots of reasons to like or dislike any one method. But claiming that PPV or Netflix is "too expensive" is vague and pointless unless you put it in the context of a certain number of movies per month or year.
     
  12. Dec 23, 2008 #32 of 122
    dphil9833

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    I quit using PPV when they instituted the 24hr rule. The price just wasn't right for the amount of time you have to watch it. Also, since Redbox has popped up at about a half a dozen convienent locations between my office and home, its just to easy to pick up the movie on the way home and drop it off on the way back to the office all for $1!!!
     
  13. Dec 23, 2008 #33 of 122
    gregjones

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    You didn't read the later posts. If you want to buy a Blu-Ray player regardless, factor it out. You can just divide the price of Netflix per month by the number of movies you want to watch each month. If you rent more than 2 movies per month from Netflix and already own a Blu-Ray player, Netflix wins. I wish more people had bought Blu-Ray players and they were as widely accepted as everyone is assuming. If they were, they would be closer to a $100 price point.
     
  14. Dec 23, 2008 #34 of 122
    DarinC

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    It can also be "too expensive" if the cost increase reduces purchases to an extent that more than offsets the increased mark-up. I would think that the 24hr rule combined with the current price would significantly limit the market. I can't imagine what an increase would do. But maybe I would be surprised.
     
  15. Dec 23, 2008 #35 of 122
    gregjones

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    Premium channels and PPV have almost no overlap in movies. PQ on PPV is an entirely different discussion that could take forever. PQ depends on the particular Blu-Ray or the PPV source, etc.
     
  16. Dec 23, 2008 #36 of 122
    gregjones

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    I think the 24 hour rule is idiotic, but has nothing to do with DirecTV. That being said, it has not been an issue for me because i generally finish a movie when I start it. I may pause it, but I have never wanted to come back to a movie a few days later to finish it. I've had Netflix too. With it, I tend to behave in the same way because I wanted the next movie in my list. So while I'm against the studio decision on 24 hour limits, I has had no practical effect on my viewing habits.

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    Many people have been asking when DirecTV would stop charging extra for HD. I think this might be the first instance of us expecting to pay no less for SD. I would not be surprised if all PPV has the same price going forward. I might be wrong, but we will see.
     
  17. Dec 23, 2008 #37 of 122
    Alan Gordon

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    Overlap isn't important unless you're just one of these people who just CAN'T wait to see a movie.

    As far as PQ on PPV depending on the particular Blu-ray or PPV source, I can't comment on it as I've never viewed HD-PPV via DirecTV as the last time I purchased a PPV from DirecTV, I didn't have HD.... BUT I have NEVER seen any program via OTA or DirecTV that matched the PQ of any of my 325 Blu-ray movies... well, maybe two Echo Bridge Blu-ray movies I have...

    ~Alan
     
  18. Dec 23, 2008 #38 of 122
    DarinC

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    You hadn't posted them by the time I started typing. :D
    I'd bet the comparison would be difficult to make, because if you looked at someone who rented 2 movies per month from Netflix, there might be a decent chance that they wouldn't even be available on PPV when they wanted to watch them. PPV is a relatively limited selection at any point in time, compared to a pretty big library available from release on.
    They're heading in that direction. :)
     
  19. Dec 23, 2008 #39 of 122
    Grentz

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    I think it would be really cool if they had PPV plans where you could buy X number of PPVs a month for a certain discounted price.

    Not saying I would necessarily subscribe (would depend on the details), but it could be interesting.
     
  20. Dec 23, 2008 #40 of 122
    xmguy

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    I have Netflix (no hd system though). I've never ordered PPV from DirecTV. Yes the 24 hr rule is stupid.
     

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