First time posting here so if i'm wrong in any way, please let me know.
I have a home that's pre-wired with cat 5 and thought it would be easy to use when I needed it, but it looks like I'm wrong. I know the home is using cat 5 because it was in my docs when I purchased the home and, after pulling off the wall plate, I see it labeled as cat 5 and see all of the jacks are connected properly with all of the wires. Since I've been living here, all of the jacks have been used as phone lines and have never been needed for a network until now.
Connecting all of the jacks to the router and modem should be as easy as plugging in the Ethernet cable and be good to go. The problem I am having is that there is no main junction box inside the house that connects all of the cables together. All of the cables tie in at the phone box outside of my house and, at that point, only use the colored wires used for phone service, leaving the networking wires not connected and loose.
The question I have is what is the best way to connect the loose wires outside to complete the network wiring so that it works properly? Also, is there a way to even bypass having to do anything outside and just use the colored wires already connected by making changes to an Ethernet cable?
I'm comfortable with wiring and making a cable if I have to, I'm just not sure if it would work or if somehow tying in the wires outside would be the only solution. Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance!
But can the dedicated line connect to any one of the jacks and link all of the other wires wired into the panel or does a dedicated wire have to go into each jack for all of them to work?
But can the dedicated line connect to any one of the jacks and link all of the other wires wired into the panel or does a dedicated wire have to go into each jack for all of them to work?
so if you need three lines active, you need three lines from your router to the patch panel
I am familiar and comfortable with the wiring part, but I have never used a patch panel so I didn't know the use or limitations and the explanations here were great. Once I understood the line to the router, the rest made sense to me. I preferred to have all of the lines working together, but if I can only have one of the wall jacks working for now, so be it. I will have them moved in once I get situated better and have more time and $$ to get it done.
Everything is working now for what I can do and the help is appreciated.
I am familiar and comfortable with the wiring part, but I have never used a patch panel so I didn't know the use or limitations and the explanations here were great. Once I understood the line to the router, the rest made sense to me. I preferred to have all of the lines working together, but if I can only have one of the wall jacks working for now, so be it. I will have them moved in once I get situated better and have more time and $$ to get it done.
Everything is working now for what I can do and the help is appreciated.
The good thing about patch panels is now those wires can handle phone or network depending what you connect to the panel. This is (was) how it should have been done from the get go, but inside....
PoE patch panels are the exception and not the norm. So the statement that patch panels don't have a powered component can be taken to be generally true. In the various enterprise/campus networks I've been involved with or seen, I've never come across a single PoE patch panel.
In addition, going with a PoE patch panel would be significant problem when it comes time to upgrade. PoE (802.3af) is the norm now, but more and more networks are requiring PoE+(802.3at). If you had a PoE patch panel, you would be faced with a significant upgrade issue as it would not be a simple rip and replace. You'll first have to source a PoE+ capable patch panel and then deal with the labor involved in having to repunch down all the LAN drops. Versus just unplugging the patch cables to a PoE enabled switch and inserting the new PoE+ capable switch.
I'm pretty sure TS will get headache after reading posts here - the his target blurring and fading thanks to extensive knowledge and broad experience of posting members
PoE patch panels are the exception and not the norm. So the statement that patch panels don't have a powered component can be taken to be generally true. In the various enterprise/campus networks I've been involved with or seen, I've never come across a single PoE patch panel.
In addition, going with a PoE patch panel would be significant problem when it comes time to upgrade. PoE (802.3af) is the norm now, but more and more networks are requiring PoE+(802.3at). If you had a PoE patch panel, you would be faced with a significant upgrade issue as it would not be a simple rip and replace. You'll first have to source a PoE+ capable patch panel and then deal with the labor involved in having to repunch down all the LAN drops. Versus just unplugging the patch cables to a PoE enabled switch and inserting the new PoE+ capable switch.
In mid size businesses that do not have deep pockets but need to switch to POE for phones, camera and other devices it is definitely cheaper to use a POE patch panel then forklifting the entire switch infrastructure from the normal switches to POE switches.
PoE patch panels are the exception and not the norm. So the statement that patch panels don't have a powered component can be taken to be generally true.
Yup, right on! :righton:
In mid size businesses that do not have deep pockets but need to switch to POE for phones, camera and other devices it is definitely cheaper to use a POE patch panel then forklifting the entire switch infrastructure from the normal switches to POE switches.
One can get a Netgear ProSafe GS724TP PoE switch for around $500. I hardly think that's breaking the bank or requires a company with deep pockets. Contrast that with a Panduit DPOE24U1XG which runs about $1400 and requires a separate 48V DC power feed not included in this price (or the labor to install/punch down the connections.) And your inference about "forklifting the entire switch infrastructure from the normal switches to POE switches" is such a gross exaggeration it's not even funny. Swapping out 1U closet switches is pretty basic and happens all the time in businesses...small, medium, or large. If someone considers doing such a change a "forklift" then that person needs to examine another profession.
One can get a Netgear ProSafe GS724TP PoE switch for around $500. I hardly think that's breaking the bank or requires a company with deep pockets. Contrast that with a Panduit DPOE24U1XG which runs about $1400 and requires a separate 48V DC power feed not included in this price (or the labor to install/punch down the connections.) And your inference about "forklifting the entire switch infrastructure from the normal switches to POE switches" is such a gross exaggeration it's not even funny. Swapping out 1U closet switches is pretty basic and happens all the time in businesses...small, medium, or large. If someone considers doing such a change a "forklift" then that person needs to examine another profession.
I am talking about commercial grade switches, Cisco 3750's, and 47XX's. Looked at the documentation, see very little on specifications, is it a layer 3 switch?
Happen to have a 3750 POE switch in my home wiring closet. the statement "A patch panel has no powered electronics parts no risk of "frying" something or even fire" was made, there are panels that have POE capability and they do have a risk of frying.
The builder needs to be involved, evidently they have no idea what a properly wired cat 5 network is for a home the dmark for a pots line should be terminated in the carriers box on the outside and a line extended to the wiring closet. Nothing should be brought out to the Telco's box on the side of the house. If a fault occurs the Telco can claim the additional wires in the box are causing a issue and make it a chargeable service call.
I am talking about commercial grade switches, Cisco 3750's, and 47XX's. Looked at the documentation, see very little on specifications, is it a layer 3 switch?
While the Netgear switches are not at the same stature as Cisco, it will work in many access layer applications. Add to the fact, the ProSafe line from Netgear has a "lifetime" (ie 20 years from EOS) warranty, it is hard to ignore the value these switches bring to the table. There are options other than Cisco and having to get pummeled with SmartNet. And if Netgear isn't "commercial grade" enough for you there are other alternatives such as Dell PowerConnect where a 5524P goes for $1900 with a lifetime warranty.
For edge access, depending on how you design your network, the absence of layer 3 at the edge is not a big deal and often times a preferred design over having a bunch of routing devices on your network. In the enterprise networks I've designed and deployed, I prefer to have a core switch/router where I have centralized control over how the routing happens at a given location/enclave. And there are other networks I've seen that are architected the same way.
As someone stated, this is getting well off topic and if you want to continue this discussion via PM, be my guest.
Happen to have a 3750 POE switch in my home wiring closet. the statement "A patch panel has no powered electronics parts no risk of "frying" something or even fire" was made, there are panels that have POE capability and they do have a risk of frying.
The builder needs to be involved, evidently they have no idea what a properly wired cat 5 network is for a home the dmark for a pots line should be terminated in the carriers box on the outside and a line extended to the wiring closet. Nothing should be brought out to the Telco's box on the side of the house. If a fault occurs the Telco can claim the additional wires in the box are causing a issue and make it a chargeable service call.
And I (and others) have said to run into a PoE enabled patch panel is rare and the exception. Especially if you're talking about a home installation where I doubt anyone has a Telco/wiring closet/data center arrangement in their home which provides 48V DC power nor have I seen any structured cabinets which have a PoE patch panel option. So again, in the home application, the statement patch panels have no electronic parts is valid and I would argue that in a business/enterprise environment the same assumption can be made as per the reasons I've stated, it's rare to see a PoE enabled patch panel.
There is nothing wrong with have Category cable all pulled to the NID as long as the intent is for the cables to only be used for POTS line connectivity. If the homeowner doesn't pay for a specific setup for network setup which consists of a structured wiring cabinet or something similar, the workers pulling the cable will assume the lines will be used only for phone service and hence why all the drops are pulled to the Telco NID. If there is a deviation from this default configuration, the homeowner needs to be very clear with the builder and the builder needs to be on top of their subcontractor to make the pull the drops to the proper location. I had this done when I had my house built where I was clear with the builder I wanted the Cat5e drops pulled to a certain location in the basement. I also had a meeting with the sub to make sure they were aware the cables needed to go to a specific location.
The Telco is also not going to care that there are multiple Category cables pulled to the NID. As the NIDs I've seen have a customer and Telco side. The sub would pull and typically terminate the cables on the customer side which decouples the Telco from any responsibility for the wiring.
And I (and others) have said to run into a PoE enabled patch panel is rare and the exception. Especially if you're talking about a home installation where I doubt anyone has a Telco/wiring closet/data center arrangement in their home which provides 48V DC power nor have I seen any structured cabinets which have a PoE patch panel option. So again, in the home application, the statement patch panels have no electronic parts is valid and I would argue that in a business/enterprise environment the same assumption can be made as per the reasons I've stated, it's rare to see a PoE enabled patch panel.
there is a 120 volt outlet in the wiring closet with APC 1500 UPS that functions just fine, the POE panel comes with a power injector that inputs 120v outputs 48V DC, have 3 installed in my wiring closet, heck I even have a power injector that converts 120V to 12V DC in there. Just did a switch upgrade of 10 standard panels to 10 POE panels for 1/10 the cost of swapping out the businesses Cisco 37XX layer 3 switches.
I disagree with the wiring being terminated in the Dmark panel, that is poor construction and even poorer planning. The Telco here will charge for a service call if anything has been touched on their external box at a residential address which is normally no charge unless they walk into the house.
If the builder assumed what you say, then it is the builders fault for not verifying what was on the build plan and requested by the buyer, if it is written down in the specifications the builder needs to make it right
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