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Prem. channel location changes 7/31

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by jamieh1, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. Jul 22, 2013 #61 of 103
    inkahauts

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    Well channel placement is something that is often a part of negotiations with many channels. Why do think CNN and espn are the channel numbers they are on directv. It's because they have it in their contract.
     
  2. Jul 22, 2013 #62 of 103
    SpewHole

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    True for the two channels you mentioned, but not for the five I mentioned, so I don't see how that's germane.

    Further, grouping national (non-premium, commercial-airing) movie stations together would probably increase viewership in lieu of the way they are currently scattered, at least for me it would. I don't enjoy seeking out channels 238, 253, 254, 256, or 258 when I'm searching for movies and frequently don't bother, just scanning through all the 500's instead. Putting all of the movie channels together is just common sense at this point.

    Satelliteracer only mentioned one new channel in this thread, while stating that other channels were to be "moved." Did he mention something in another thread that I missed?
     
  3. Jul 23, 2013 #63 of 103
    APB101

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    I'm not sure I believe this too much.

    It can be.

    If DirecTV were to do a realignment that sent the premium movies into the channel ranges of the 900s and then made a one-hundred block for national sports, I would imagine that being at the front of the national sports pack is what ABC/Disney would insist for ESPN. That Comcast/NBC Universal would want that for NBC Sports Network and its other brands such as The Golf Channel and Universal Sports. Whether these programmers would insist in such a change through contractual negotiations, and what-have-you, I don't know.

    On the news side, if CNN and Headline News were transferred to a block along with all other national cable news programmers … I don't know if they'd try to fight it (and, if so, how?). Other providers are not giving CNN that much weight, that much preferential treatment (as DirecTV apparently does), and one can sense this from looking at some other cable-television providers' mappings. Dish Network and AT&T U-verse, for example, lay out the national cable news programming in the first half of the channel ranges of the 200s. Comcast, with its implementation of remapping gradually throughout the country (it's happening in my home state of Michigan), has the national cable news programming in the first half of the channel ranges of the 100s.

    I'm not too certain how important this is nowadays.
     
  4. Jul 23, 2013 #64 of 103
    inkahauts

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    Except that A&E isn't just a movie channel anymore at all. It shows series, quite a few of them now. Granted everything is getting convoluted anymore. Maybe FXM that just shows old movies makes some sense, but A&E is really throwing me.

    And even if they don't have exact number placement, they may have requirements to be in a certain kind of area grouped near other similar channels, and none of those channels are anything close to a premier channel, so I doubt they'd like that.

    But hey, I could easily be wrong! ;) But since Satracer has said everyone's been wrong for the most part so far....

    It would be interesting to see if maybe a couple channels get switched to hd only and moved into the hd extra pack. Reelz is one I could see that happening too, I am sure they have the data of how many people watch a channel and if they have hd equipment or not. If everyone or the vast majority have hd equipment, then moving to a hd only format now is plausible, especially if they are looking to push a channel or two into a higher tier.

    I guess we will see soon enough either way. I just know I will have some ARSLs to change on the 1st. I do think it'd be weird for them to move an sd only channel up there at this point though without flipping it to hd at the same time.
     
  5. Jul 23, 2013 #65 of 103
    James Long

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    I'm not sure it will be proven either way (other than by those in the know stating the fact).

    If channel location didn't matter the lineups would never change. DirecTV would just add channels sequentially without creating ranges and placing new channels next to similar channels in those ranges. DirecTV would not advertise those ranges on their website.

    And a channel that does not look for the best channel location possible (both numerical placement and tier placement) isn't much of a channel.
     
  6. Jul 23, 2013 #66 of 103
    SpewHole

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    I don't think anyone here mentioned A&E...

    But along that line of thinking, I also pondered whether some of the SD feeds will be dropped for the channels that get moved, making them HD-only and possibly grouping them in with the HD Extra package.

    I doubt it, though, because of where IFC is positioned, and the fact that it will keep the SD and HD feed, so it definitely won't be part of the HD Extra package and there is no room to squeeze anything else there on the front-end.

    There's always the possibility that CineLatino can be moved there too. We're seeing more and more Latino versions of channels emerging these days, most recently Cinemax Latino, I believe. I thought about The Documentary Channel, but that's slated to become Pivot on August 1st, and doesn't appear to be moving anywhere. So I still have no idea what the new channel will be. I kept looking for candidates and found a movie station called PixL, but no commercials, so no dice. I don't think there are any other national movie stations with commercials.
     
  7. Jul 23, 2013 #67 of 103
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    Don't overthink it. Methinks it's a tweak or two and not much else.
     
  8. Jul 23, 2013 #68 of 103
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    Don't overthink it. Methinks it's a tweak or two and not much else.


    I think you are correct. Satelliteracer only mentioned one new channel while stating that other channels were to be "moved."
     
  9. Jul 23, 2013 #69 of 103
    SpewHole

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    Speculation is half the fun. :) Especially with the prospect of a new channel.

    But yeah, I've only been guessing at which will be the new channel and which ones will be moved.

    Maybe a broadcast movie network is going national, like ION and WGN did. Someone on Facebook suggested Funimation, but they don't appear to play movies outside of VOD. Whatever it turns out to be, it probably won't be worth the anticipation.
     
  10. Jul 24, 2013 #70 of 103
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    Perhaps the "new" one will be Encore Drama HD (on ch. 540). And, with the six slots of chs. 558 to 563, I'll probably go with figuring that the basic-cable movie programmers (AMC, TCM, et al.) are on the move. (I cannot recall if Satelliteracer read that being speculated. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe it doesn't matter in the long run. We'll eventually find out.)
     
  11. Jul 24, 2013 #71 of 103
    armophob

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    Got the official email today about the lineup change.

    I do not understand this statement.
    "Please note, all programming will continue with no interruptions. Your DVR settings (Season passes, etc.) as well as Favorite Channels feature should not be impacted. "

    How is a channel change not going to effect a SL set up for a program on that channel?
    The SL will automatically know the channel number changed?
     
  12. Jul 24, 2013 #72 of 103
    tonyd79

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    Yes.
     
  13. Jul 24, 2013 #73 of 103
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    That is not what happened when NBC Sports Network moved from 603 to 220. My DVR no longer recorded the cycling events until I re-created the link for the new channel number. Perhaps DirecTV learned from that move, and this one will work as intended.
     
  14. Jul 24, 2013 #74 of 103
    wilbur_the_goose

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    That's due to the lifetime ban on cycling recordings due to Armstrong's PED use :)
     
  15. Jul 24, 2013 #75 of 103
    Christopher Gould

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    If they were going to move existing channels into the space created by the move why wouldn't it be listed now with the move. Do it all at once instead of two separate moves?
     
  16. Jul 24, 2013 #76 of 103
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    Did you have a Boolean search recording set up for it?
     
  17. Jul 24, 2013 #77 of 103
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    That is not what happened when NBC Sports Network moved from 603 to 220. My DVR no longer recorded the cycling events until I re-created the link for the new channel number. Perhaps DirecTV learned from that move, and this one will work as intended.


    I don't recall that move. If they just move the channel, it all tracks. If they create a new one then remove the old later, it does not. Did they do the latter with NBC sports?

    In this case, they have announced a pure move.
     
  18. Jul 24, 2013 #78 of 103
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    No. I just clicked the record button twice on a cycling event, and all cycling events on Versus/NBC Sports network were recorded until the channel moved from 603 to 220. After the move, it did not record any events on 220 until I clicked the record button twice on an event. I had to do the same with beIn Sports and Universal Sports - double click the record button on one cycling event, and all cycling events are recorded, but just for that channel number. Thus, Cycling appears in my series list three times - once for 220, once for 620, and once for 625.
     
  19. Jul 24, 2013 #79 of 103
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    That is a good question. The channel had already changed names from Versus to NBC Sports Network several months before it moved from 603 to 220, but I do not remember whether the name change occurred during the cycling season. All I know is that it recorded all of the cycling events while it was on 603, but did not record any cycling events on 220 until I double clicked the record button on a cycling event on 220. I suppose it is possible that there were no cycling events during the time it was NBC Sports but still on 603, but I do not think that was the case.
     
  20. Jul 24, 2013 #80 of 103
    vtfan99

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    Any chance they would put "NBC Sports Live Extra" channels here...for the new EPL season? Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, since there hasn't been any mention of this being available on DirecTV.
     

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