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Press Release - DISH Introduces Hopper and Joey

Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by Jason Nipp, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. TomCat

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    "P" makes a point. For DTV DVRs, the decoded signal bypasses the HDD directly after a channel change and is routed straight to the output channel (the signal actually goes to both, but the user sees it live). This is a clever way of shortening channel acquisition time, which became somewhat longer once MPEG4 began to be used (it eliminates the write/read delay of the buffer). Only when you use trick play features does the signal route through the HDD, and the switch is seamless.

    This is such a good idea I would have assumed that DISH was doing it too. Are they not?
     
  2. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Hoppers and Joeys are connected together via coax cables. Each home will have a central hub supporting one or two hoppers. Coax cables run from that hub to the Hoppers and Joeys with possible splitters on the feed allowing one feed from the hub to serve one Hopper and one Joey or two Joeys.

    Whether you need to run new lines depends on how your home is wired. Traditional DISH home wiring is done with "home run" cables from a central location (a dish or switch connected to the dish) to each receiver. Hopper/Joey wiring is basically the same. If one is using the TV 2 output of a current DISH receiver one's current wiring may be "home" to the receiver and then a distribution cable to "TV2" that doesn't go back home. This topology can also be maintained with Hopper/Joey wiring.
     
  3. smasters

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    I have seen references to installing 2 Hoppers with up to 4 Joeys. This would be ideal for me since I have 6 TV's that I'd love to hook up to Dish. Does anyone know if this configuration will be available from day 1 or how much the charge will be for the 2nd Hopper?
     
  4. wtrjock

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    We have many recordings on an external drive for our VIP722. I see references to using external drives on the Hopper, but it is unclear if the Hopper can play the recordings from the VIP722. Can anyone confirm this? Could e a deal breaker for me.
     
  5. Daniel

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    Yes for all but the 211.
     
  6. scottchez

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    I just do not understand why anyone would switch to the Dish Hopper knowing they will be missing many local channels. Some how I need to make this a Priority for Dish. Sources say the USB Over the Air Tuner will not be out till Summer or September.

    Maybe once the Hopper is available. I will call in to order one and almost sign up and then get to the part where you give them your VISA Card and say, oh wait do you have ALL the local channels?

    you do not have the CW, PBS Nebraska, and PBS Iowa in HD?

    you do not have PBS Kids and World? (there sub channels)

    you do not have the local Weather channel (a sub channel)

    you do not have METV, Live Well, and MyTV (more sub channels).

    you do not get the nearby DMA's CBS and ABC and there sub channels.

    Cable and DireCTV (with there OTA) both have that all these local channels (you get these with DirecTV not cable)

    I will than say, sorry Guess I need to cancel the order. Maybe then they will make it a priority and hire more contractor programers and QA testers to get it added this May?

    OTA this summer could mean September. Sounds there priority is Two Hoppers working together and the Facebook, Pandora Music apps, not the Over the Air Tuner (OTA).

    What if others called in, emailed, or I.M.ed there concern about lack of locals once the Hopper is release?
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I agree... it would be a mistake to release this as a top-of-the-line super-duper thing and not have OTA support until the summer or later.

    I could be wrong, but didn't DirecTV just make a similar mistake a couple of years back by releasing a receiver model without OTA support and then come to regret doing so?

    I know many customers don't care about OTA... but for those that do, and especially the channels Dish doesn't carry and may never carry... it would be a deal-breaker.
     
  8. Mar 1, 2012 #248 of 294
    James Long

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    There is certainly a hole that only OTA can fill, but with the last couple of receivers released requiring add on modules to get OTA DISH has a fairly good idea of how many advanced viewers have added OTA.

    I hope they release a module "soon" ... and that when released it is 100% bug free. (A boy can dream.)
     
  9. Mar 1, 2012 #249 of 294
    P Smith

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    A voice of Yoda: "They will not."
    They will release FW with drivers for OTA [ATSC tuner] USB sticks from shelves.
     
  10. Mar 3, 2012 #250 of 294
    chriscpmtmp

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    Does anyone know if the Hopper will need a 3rd coax from the dish to the Hopper? It seems like we get 2 tuners running from one coax on a 622, so 6 tuners would need 3 cables?

    I think this setup will be cool. I hope its not buggy.
     
  11. Mar 3, 2012 #251 of 294
    James Long

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    The Hopper needs one cable from the special "node" connected to the dish or a DPP switch. Each Joey also needs one cable from the node, although there are alternative wiring that allow that cable to be a split off of the cable feeding the Hopper or a cable feeding another Joey.

    The Hopper coax is stacked differently, with three satellite polarities (one for each of the three tuners in the Hopper) plus MoCa sending the data on to the Joeys. (DPP used for 622s and DP used for single tuner receivers stack two polarities.)
     
  12. Mar 3, 2012 #252 of 294
    eddwall

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    James Long is correct on the wiring from the node to the Hopper and the node to the Joey. Now from the dish/LNB to the node you will need two RG-6 cables if you have one Hopper and if you have two Hoppers you will need three RG-6 cables to the node. Also from the node to the Hoppers must be RG-6 cables. From the node to the Joeys can be either RG-6 or RG-59 cables. Hope this helps!
     
  13. Mar 4, 2012 #253 of 294
    P Smith

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    Here is diagram http://www.dishuser.org/hopper.php
     
  14. Mar 4, 2012 #254 of 294
    XXXCOXXX

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    Hopper software download/check switch/activation has been challenging to say the least. Actual install of node and joeys is cake, you can use rg59 and splitters in the joey lines or a tap to run a joey off of a main hopper rg6 line. They are saying it's crucial to use 3ghz rg6 to the hopper as the new DPX is supposed to use frequencies all the way up to 3ghz rather than 2.15 or 2.25ghz for DPP
     
  15. Mar 4, 2012 #255 of 294
    P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Yes, we saw that in Training materials sheets.
     
  16. Mar 5, 2012 #256 of 294
    chriscpmtmp

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    Thanks for the link. One of the coax feeds to one of my 622s stopped passing the sat signal a while ago, so I'm trying to see if this will work. That wire does pass the antenna signal though - go figure.

    So if I have this right, I can put one hopper where one 622 is, then one Joey where the other 622 is. Then I only need one coax between them. That gets me 3 shows at once, viewable in both places. That seems doable. Then I can keep my setup for sharing one set of component signal on 2 HDTVs.

    We end up recording a bunch of the same shows on the two 622s, so this will all be together. I'll keep my fingers crossed on reliability. That old 9-something nightmare still sticks with me.

     
  17. P Smith

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    Last minute production versions just released to spooling: S2.03 and S2.55

    So, you first [happy] users will report it here in two days ;).
     
  18. n-spring

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    Is the official availability date of tomorrow, 3/15, holding up?
     
  19. VDP07

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    Yep!
     
  20. GOMD

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    I don't know how much water this holds, but i just finished a chat with dish online where i was informed only 1 Hopper would be possible per account. I told the rep I was interested in 2 Hoppers, and he said that is not allowed. He offered up the fact that 6 tv's can use 1 hopper and that was all. I really hope he is wrong!
     

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