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Press Release - DISH Introduces Hopper and Joey

Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by Jason Nipp, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. Jan 11, 2012 #81 of 294
    normang

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    Is this the first time that companies have tried to market tech with cute and furry animals?
     
  2. Jan 11, 2012 #82 of 294
    n0qcu

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    EA or WA absolutely no difference ALL HD is MPEG-4.

    Now the 1000 hours of SD programming will vary between EA & WA
     
  3. Jan 11, 2012 #83 of 294
    P Smith

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    Sure, studying MoCA specs would help; for sure I know the communication MoCA channel between 813 and 110 using 256QAM modulation. I think MoCA should regimenting frequencies ... Lets check those spec...
     
  4. Jan 11, 2012 #84 of 294
    P Smith

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    I think the number [250 hrs or 250 GB] is a limit for one client/tuner; or the number would look ridicules as usable space for users: 12.5% off 2 TB drive.
     
  5. Jan 11, 2012 #85 of 294
    P Smith

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    Where is PETA protests for limiting living space of the creatures inside of the small black boxes ?! :D
     
  6. Jan 11, 2012 #86 of 294
    tivoboy

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    Finally, I can leave directv for something better!
     
  7. Jan 12, 2012 #87 of 294
    tm22721

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    I want a general purpose whole house media server not constrained by Hollywood.

    All that I need from Dish are expansion tuners and a program guide.

    This is NOT it.
     
  8. Jan 12, 2012 #88 of 294
    Blowgun

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    What about the brand of the 2 TB drive in the 813 (sounds better:))? It goes without saying that it's still early to know which brand is going to be initially used. Yet, in general a lot of recent hard drive reviews I've read indicate that a portion of large capacity drives (greater than 1 GB) are either DOA from the factory or shortly thereafter, going belly up. Longevity seems to be with the older and smaller capacity drives.

    Making matters worse, floods, production issues and increasing costs, might mean that the 2 TB drive that's installed may come from various sources. Which could contribute to an increase of inconsistent quality among the 813 receivers.

    I see from other images that the fan is on the left side and a vent on the right. I'm guessing that they placed the hard drive next to the vent. I attempted to look at the insides from the link at EKB, but the FCC page returns, "You are not authorized to access this page." BobaBird, you might want to look into why the page is not accessible.
     
  9. Jan 12, 2012 #89 of 294
    RAD

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    Dripping...
    Has it been said out of the 2TB on the harddrive how much will the customer partition be vs. the Dish partition? I ask since the Hopper supports "Dish Unplugged" which according to their PR says:

    So if they are force downloading 'hundreds of the most popular movies and TV shows to the hard drive' how much space is that taking out of that 2GB?
     
  10. Jan 12, 2012 #90 of 294
    HoTat2

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    As far as known its 1 TB available to the user and 1 TB allocated for reserved space for purely DN controlled stuff.

    Now how much of this 1 TB of reserved space is then set aside for "Dish Unplugged" programming, PrimeTime Anytime (PTAT), or other features are unknown AFAIK.
     
  11. Jan 12, 2012 #91 of 294
    Rasterburn

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    i dont know about this device. In my opinion, with anything from Dish it's like having a Mansion built in a ghetto! In the long run it is not worth it and has more problems then benefits
     
  12. Jan 12, 2012 #92 of 294
    VDP07

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    If you have to explain an analogy, it's not a very good one. What does the "Mansion in a ghetto" portion of your post refer to?
     
  13. Jan 12, 2012 #93 of 294
    HoTat2

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    After some more thought P. Smith, if I were a betting man (which I'm really not BTW, since I've mostly been a loser whenever I've gambled in life :D ), I would wager that for the XiP Solo Node with two coax drops illustrated coming from a Dish 1000.x is to allow access to three 500 Mhz DPP blocks (the fourth block is discarded or ignored) for the three tuners on the Hopper.

    The difference I think is that since only one coax cable feeds the Hopper, there seems to be no choice but for the Node to frequency translate one of the DPP blocks to up above 2150 Mhz to maybe 2350-2850 Mhz (assuming the same standard 200 Mhz guard band between the blocks) for the third tuner.

    This would then certainly mandate that the MoCA frequencies used for the Hopper to communicate with the Joeys is somewhere below 950 Mhz, ala DIRECTV's DECA technology which is centered at 550 Mhz.

    And if so, as with DIRECTV's WHDVR service, its bye-bye to OTA diplexing for this system.

    Now photos of the "XiP Duo Node" shows three inputs for drop lines from a Dish 1000.x. This appears to be for a setup with two Hoppers to allow subscribers (who wish to pay for an addtional unit ;) ) a combined total of more than six tuners with three DPP blocks split to each Hopper satellite output of the Node to supply them.

    And I think its likely that the two Hopper output ports on the Duo Node are internally connected by a data crossover bridge so the opposite Hopper/Joey network can communicate with the other. That is in a way similar to DIRECTV's DECA crossover bridge on the SWiM-16.

    So what do you, (or anyone else) think?
     
  14. Jan 12, 2012 #94 of 294
    BobaBird

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    I get the same error and don't recall how the page was titled. Searching for xip813 yields no results.
    There's a plausible theory. Dish already does that for some commercial installations with a stacker/de-stacker pair.
     
  15. Jan 12, 2012 #95 of 294
    P Smith

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    Who knows, if they use that wide blocks, perhaps 100 MHz? We will check it with spectrum analyzer soon.;)
    They told at CES, user will have 250 hrs for HD, what equal 250 GB of storage ie 12.5% of the drive size. Not clear, but most likely it's true for all clients.
     
  16. Jan 12, 2012 #96 of 294
    P Smith

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    I posted FCC cert PDF in my thread here - "XiP813", it was Seagate that time, but they have WD and Hitachi 2 TB approved drives.
     
  17. Jan 12, 2012 #97 of 294
    HoTat2

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    Yeah ...

    And if my theory is correct its the limitation of DN's traditional signal stacking approach this way that was probably a contributing factor in the decision for only three satellite tuners per Hopper. Even if we were to grant P. Smith's suggestion of a reduced guard band of say 100 Mhz between the DPP blocks. To accommodate something like five tuners in one Hopper as with DIRECTV's HR34 would mean coax frequencies extending up to 3850 Mhz for feeding all those tuners in one Hopper.

    Therefore, the only reasonable (though perhaps more cumbersome and costly), way to add more tuners in Dish's MRV system is to add another Hopper effectively in parallel though the use of the XiP Duo Node.
     
  18. Jan 12, 2012 #98 of 294
    TBoneit

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    Oh yes, I knew that once you reminded me. Big OOPS!

    I'm not sure but SD used to be 800Mbs to 1Gbs per hours a few years ago. Which makes the me think I should record a hour of SD and HD and then see what size is reported when moving them to an EHD. If you only do 1 at a time the size should be reported accurate.

    One other thought is that they may give more bandwidth to premiums than non premiums?
     
  19. Jan 12, 2012 #99 of 294
    eichenberg

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    I often wonder how accurate the xx hours for SD and HD are. For example we went on vacation for two weeks. Came back and had 15 1 hour shows recorded in HD. However, my HD counter said I had 44 hours of HD recordring remaining out of 50 and something like 197 hours of SD. So those 15 hours of HD only took up 6 hours of the HD and 3 hours of SD recording capacity.
     
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    I could be wrong, but I believe the estimates given by the receiver are for uncompressed signal, but most, if not all, of the HD programs that come across the dish are compressed.
     

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