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Professional puke, spit and amorality!

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  1. May 4, 2004 #1 of 47
    jonstad

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    I thought about starting this thread several weeks ago but judged I had enough on my plate with George Bush and fundamentalist Christianity to battle. spanishannouncetable tipped the balence with his comment below. Thanks alot guy!

    Since you ask, odious is far too kind. And no, I can't think of anything on TV, bad as much of it is, that is more so.:barf:

    I haven't watched this garbage since I was about twelve when "Dick the Bruiser" was the "hero" in my town and the greasy promoter/interviewers with sunglasses looked like rejects from a Sopranos audition. Even then I suspected it was fake, and when that sunk in, I stopped watching. Since then I figured it was mindless entertainment for the mindless masses and could never figure out its popularity and appeal. But I didn't care either.

    Don't get me wrong. I've no problem with mindlessness. I'm fairly mindless myself sometimes. But then, mindlessly channel surfing one day, I came across this. http://www.mediaed.org/videos/MediaGenderAndDiversity/WrestlingWithManhood

    Now I understand its popularity completely. It graphically appeals to our vilest and basest instincts. It glorifies violence. It illustrates might makes right. It teaches that it is not enough to win, but to be a real hero you must humiliate your foe and never, never show any mercy or compassion. That would be unmanly. It shows women and homosexuals as weak, untrustworthy and useful only as objects of ridicule and scorn, and to pleasure us should we so desire. Oh, BTW, Arabs and Muslims are given similar treatment.

    Now obviously, the documentary is not a Vince McMahon promotional video, although it wouldn't surprise me if some of the sequences are sickly appropriated as such.:nono: But the scenes were entirely of pro wrestling events and beyond what's outlined above consisted of such niceties as forcing someone to drink spit, dunking and pouring puke on several people and making a woman crawl on all fours and bark like a dog. All of course to cheers, laughter and squeals of delight from the audience.

    This is the most watched sport on television? We're in trouble folks! We're worried about Janet Jackson's boob while this crap is teaching our children, and reenforcing in our adults, the absolute worst aspects of our society on a weekly basis, plus PPVs? Mindless, moralless rage and violence, misogyny and homophobia all presented in a slick, high tech, visually exciting venue and neatly wrapped in an American flag.

    I don't know what to do. While Dubbya, Ashcroft, Robertson and Falwell are working out front, Vince McMahon is working behind the scenes to deliver US to hell in a handbasket. Why isn't SOMEBODY out there picketing this junk? And where's the FCC? They're too busy messin' with Howard Stern I guess. Oh, that's right. It makes a lot of money. And "The Rock" showed up at the GOP convention last time around.:bang
     
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    Ray_Clum

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    Amen. I lump this kind of mindless drivel in with "Reality TV," which has 0% to do with reality... Give me the History Channel or Discovery any day over this crap.
     
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    Richard King

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    It's just another form of Jerry Springer. Ah, television at its finest.
     
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    Redster

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    How about the new reality show with several couples vying for a baby. Wonder how they are going to judge the couples ? Can you imagine this child in 12 or 13 years and he/she asks about the adoption. Quote: " We are your parents,, we won you in a contest after your mommy beat out the others in wiping your butt. Of course we love you,, the money we got from the show means nothing, now eat your minced pate and caviar.
     
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    HappyGoLucky

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    It is, on the "vile-ness" scale equivilent to other odious (or should that be odorous?) fare as "The Simple Life", "Fear Factor", "Extreme Makeover", "How To Marry an Average Joe Bachelor Millionaire", etc. Meanwhile, quality programming like "Boston Public", "Century City" etc. gets canned because of poor ratings. I have to ask since so many "conservatives" continue to say that America has become a "conservative, family-values" country, why doesn't the prevailing entertainment reflect that status? Or perhaps they really are as hypocritical as they appear to be to everyone else.
     
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    Due to meetings, attending girls softball games, a high school play and a college production, I was only home one night last week. That night I watched the Cardinals beat the Cubs. It was a great week.
     
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    You have some real hang-ups man. Most conservatives I hear are bemoaning the fact that America is becoming less family-values oriented. A prime example is the growing number of couples who choose to live together rather than marry. I don't see the tie-in to wrestling. I'm fairly conservative and I hate, loathe, and despise pro wrestling. Are you arguing that conservatives are the chief supporters of pro wrestling? I realize that this is nowhere near conclusive evidence on the topic, but consider this: Minnesota is considered by many to be the most liberal state in the nation. We haven't voted for a Republican for president in decades. Yet, whom did we elect as our governor a few years back?? :)

    So let's drop the conservative bashing, just for once if you're able to Happy (an oxymoron if ever there was one) and stick to the topic.
     
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    Bad taste has no political boundaries. However, I would suspect that most lovers of wrestling will vote for GWB. It is the macho factor.

    I also suspect that the popularity of the gross reality shows stems from the shock value. "They really did THAT on TV?"

    I really won't classify Jesse V. as a liberal or a conservative, just a disappointment. I think the folks in Minn. wanted to try a change from the two-party system. I don't think it worked.
     
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    Nick

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    Republicans don't watch rasslin'. To do so would be oxymoronic.

    My first ex-wife's grandparents, "Momma Ruth" and "Popper" were lifelong democrats. They were also rabid rasslin' fans. That was back in the black & white TV days. We knew not to walk in front of the tv when rasslin' was on or they would shoo us away with un-grandparent-like remarks. The only problem was, in their small living room ("front room"), one had to pass in front of the tv to go in or out of the front door. So, when rasslin' was on we used the kitchen door that led to the back yard.

    Speaking of the kitchen, Mama Ruth made what were possibly the best biscuits in the world - big as my hand and thick as a fist. She used this old wooden scooped out thing in which to mix her flour and secret incredients. Her kitchen was small, but she could put out a Sunday dinner that was to die for.

    Mama Ruth and Popper were the only folks I ever knew who believed rasslin' was real, and the moon landing fake.
     
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    Nick,

    Back in those days there wasn't a Republican Party in the South. Everyone was a Democrat because of what the GOP did during the reconstruction era.
     
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    Rich, I never said there was. Most folks were dems, but only because their daddy and their daddy's daddy were dems. No one ever heard of reconstruction and, no, not everyone was a democrat. There were of few of us with common sense.

    You're not given to exaggeration or gross generalizations, are you! :D

    :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't understand the vitriol directed toward those who watch wrestling. It's a form of entertainment. We all have our guilty pleasures and to demean those who watch something that doesn't meet your "standards" is small minded.
     
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    Let's not make this into a liberal/conservative thing. My comment about Rock being at the GOP convention was just to show they play with, and are valued, by the big boys. I'm sure the Dems would have given him just as warm a reception.

    And I'm not targeting those who watch wrestling. If anything, they're the victims. My anger is directed at those who produce and promote it and the broadcasters whose "standards" allow them to bring it into our living rooms.

    There's much hand wringing about how movies and television and video games are corrupting our youth with depictions of sex, violence, etc. Yet here we have a massive media juggernaut teaching and displaying the most despicible morality and activity, and targeting as their demographic adolescent, teen and young adult men. And nobody seems at all concerned about it. Is it any wonder they end up pummeling one another on school bus security cams or raping classmates with role models like this?
     
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    Wow!!! You sound so.... so.... so conservative. :D
     
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    I call 'em like I see 'em. Show me the dumbest, slack-jawed, illiterate redneck in Georgia and I guarantee he has a Bush-Cheney bumpersticker on his pickup truck. :D

    To hear the conservatives crow, though, that THEY are the majority and THEY will determine the course for America, yet their choice of "entertainment" speaks volumes about their duplicity. Methinks thou dost protest too much.
     
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    Happy, I think you are losing (not loosing) it. :rolleyes:
     
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    This post is not intended to make me sound like an a-hole, and after rereading before I post it, I realize it does, but I'm going to pot it anyway. :)

    This is something I never understood either, I watched and cheered on Chucky as he slayed his victims in Child’s Play when I was 6, I grew up watching Beavis and Butthead lighting things on fire and hoping to 'score', I played Mortal Kombat on Sega Genesis trying to make blood spew from my opponents, I listen to satanic metal, now playing on my Winamp playlist, Kill Your Mother, Rape Your Dog, next to be played Justifiable Homicide, both by Dying Fetus. Can't really understand the words, but if you look up the lyrics you'll see they are sickeningly disturbing, but so is the TV show 7th Heaven IMO. Right now I’m in a Grand Theft Auto mood, I play the game a few hours a week when I have time, I shoot cops and beat up old ladies, and have seen more porn on the net then you can imagine. When I was 13 and first got the internet Prodigy, remember them, first two websites I ever visited, sex.com and porn.com. Ever since I turned 18 it took the fun out of it, other then all those porn downloads in the Gold Members Forum ;) , I hardly ever go on those sites any more. I listen to shock jocks, I’m a Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony supporter. And guess what, I grew up fine, never killed anyone, never got arrested, never sent to juvie, never detained and sent to a nut hut, never even received a detention in school, but rather a member of the National Honor Society, recipient of numerous scholarship and high achievement awards and if I can bring my GPA up a notch this quarter I’ll be on coarse to make the National Technical Honor Society in college. Am I evil? Psychotic? are my choices of entertainment going to lead me down a dark demise? Who has the right to judge whether or not I’m a decent human being based on what I find entertaining. I probably agree with most of Rush Limbaugh says, do I listen to him, hell no, if I want to be put to sleep I’ll turn on channel 301, I hardly agree with anything Stern says politically, but I like the guy, he makes me laugh.

    No secret I hate reality shows, but I don’t think less of anyone that watches them. Hell, my Season Pass list contains shows like South Park, Stripperella, NYPD Blue, The Sopranos, shows filled with sex, profanity and violence, am I any less of a person because I don’t find I Love Lucy of the Munsters entertaining?

    A person I work with is a part of the religious right, she’s about ready to condemn me to hell, especially when I said I’d rather watch a bang bang shoot em up Cage or Trovolta action flick instead of seeing The Passion. :lol:
     
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    We're all glad you turned out alright, Steve. But there's still plenty of time left to become a whacko. :bonk1:

    Nice essay, bud. It gets you a B+. Sorry to have to tell you, but it's "course", not "coarse". :whatdidid
     
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    Everyone knows, people who generalize are not to be trusted.

    I suspect there are lots of R's into rasslin'. Next thing you know, Nick will be telling us R's don't go into stripper bars!! Or look at X-rated web sites!! :lol:
     
  20. jonstad

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    Well Nick, considering his taste in entertainment, perhaps he DID mean "coarse". :sure:

    Just kidding Steve. You seem alright except for the Bush thing.;)

    See, we all can come across like a-holes sometimes:D
     
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