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PVR501/508/510 - P4.09 Software Experiences/Bugs Discuss

Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by P Smith, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. VDP07

    VDP07 Godfather

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    Noticed this morning that all of the timers on our 508 were gone. Also, not sure how long it's been like this, but now, 1 push of the DVR button (used to be 2) brings up "My Recordings".
     
  2. Blowgun

    Blowgun DHMO User

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    While I didn't upgrade the firmware, on the 6th of September I too experienced the loss of all timers.

    It started when I went into "Manage" to set "Protect" on two unprotected recorded events. As soon as I entered the "Manage" screen, the hard drive parked and the screen went black. Lovely.

    After the Five Levels of Wait, the receiver resumed normally with live TV.

    I then went back into "Manage" and set the protection bit on the two events. From there I when back to live TV, then into the EPG and proceeded to set a once only timer. After setting the necessary options, I selected "Create" and a message popped up on the screen. The message said that there were no more available slots and that I would have to delete an old timer before creating a new timer. What? I had no where near that many timers.

    Canceled the creation of the once only timer and went into the "Timers List" and it showed that there were now 64 timers. I could see all of MY original timers, but the rest were garbage timers. Anything from blank show titles, events that were zero minutes long, to strange looking characters. I proceed to delete the first garbage timer and as soon as I clicked "Yes" to the confirmation, the hard drive parked. Oh great, not again.

    Waited for the Five Levels of Wait and again the receiver resumed normally with live TV.

    On the way back to the "Timers List" to delete another garbage timer, I passed by the "Daily Schedule" and there were no upcoming events. I knew right there and confirmed in the "Timers List", all the timers were gone.

    Apparently that must be something new for P409, because P408 still requires the user to push the DVR button twice to get past the nonsense of "DISH On Demand". It only took DISH four years to come to their senses.
     
  3. interd0g

    interd0g Mentor

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    Seems not many people have taken a chance on 4.09.
    I'm reluctant because right now my 510 is working OK which is not an everyday thing.
    I look forward to someone else trying it for me!
     
  4. Blowgun

    Blowgun DHMO User

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    Perhaps that's because the history of the past several releases of the 5xx firmware doesn't inspire confidence. Currently there is no reason to believe that after two years of neglect that suddenly P4.09 is the exception. One of the things I'm concerned about is if most of the "improvements" are cosmetic changes that ultimately bog the receiver down further and do nothing to address the majority of the more irritating bugs in P4.08. If that's the case, what's the point of updating.

    Though, I would love to be proven wrong. :)
     
  5. interd0g

    interd0g Mentor

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    Right. When I said my 510/ L4.08 is working OK, that was a slight exaggeration. It crashes out periodically , usually going into a reset by itself.
    I have always had this problem and they replaced the rx one time.
     
  6. interd0g

    interd0g Mentor

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    Still no ringing endorsements for 4.09?
    Will they ever give up prompting to download this update?
     
  7. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    There is a catch, the provider adding new meta data ( see desc 0x8C, 0xA3 in Uplink reports), so without FW updates any DVR/receiver would not work properly.
     
  8. interd0g

    interd0g Mentor

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    Thanks for the info. I am going off to find out exactly what that means!
     
  9. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I should add to my last post - soon.
     
  10. shadough

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    I still have p407. Is that a bad thing? My 510 has been rock solid over the years. I've been fortunate. Allthough last night, it refused to record anything until I rebooted it.
     
  11. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    If you satisfied with it and no missing features/channels you could keep it
     
  12. John_E

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    No ringing endorsement meant here, however, I installed it on a PVR508 a while back and have noticed fewer hiccups than with previous versions. Considering the age of my equipment I'm happy with the improvement. YMMV!
     
  13. Blowgun

    Blowgun DHMO User

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    If you wouldn't mind elaborating on "fewer hiccups". In post #8 above I listed a few of the problems with P508. Which, if any, of those are better?
     
  14. John_E

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    Blowgun. I'll try to answer what I know but don't really play with it that much. I just set timers and hope they record.

    Has the GUI been changed at all? Not that I see.

    Air dates and episode info for non-live, is that fixed? Dates are still wrong most of the time - I can't tell you exactly where.

    How about when you navigate several days ahead in the EPG to locate an Event that is set to record. After selecting the entry to go into the Daily Schedule, does pressing the "Today" button now take you to the current date? Don't know.

    Is the lock icon functional and shows the protected bit, while at the same time isn't vertically cut in half? Don't know what that is.

    How about when watching or recording a channel not in the current favorites list and press the right button. Does it now show the correct information? I'm not sure.

    How about the progression gauge and the on-screen fast-forward or rewind icon. Do they always appear? I think so, but they always did for me.

    How about the occasional issue where you pause playback and try to frame back and the receiver gets stuck and only the play button works. Has that been fixed? I had many problems before this release with pausing, playback, etc. Seems to be better now.

    Or, how about when you edit a timer. Does it show "Edited" instead of "Deleted" in Daily Schedule? I've never seen that.

    Here's an annoying one. Have they fixed it so that after you modify a timer no matter what it always returns you back to the correct timer? How about going back to the Daily Schedule, does it place you where you entered or does it send you back several days earlier? Frankly, I don't remember what happens after modifying a timer other than locking up. That used to happen with older versions. I've only done it twice with $409 and it did not lock up. Victory for me!

    Here's another annoying one. Have they fixed the memory leak that can often occur when you have a lot of timers and those timers have lots of occurrences? The issue shows itself from anything from bits of gibberish in the correct description, to the last 1½ days in the Daily Schedule displaying the wrong description from some other past recorded show or a description from an entirely different future timer. Never seen that.

    I wish I could be of more help but I'm not nearly as savy as you guys, do not pay that close of attention to details and only want it to work. I feel its behaving better now than before with less errors, especially when it use to lock up and have to be rebooted once a week or more.

    Maybe someone else can be more specific.
     
  15. Blowgun

    Blowgun DHMO User

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    I appreciate you taking the time to answer what you could.

    Thanks.
     
  16. interd0g

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    To add to the experiences, I have not downloaded, but last couple of days big chunks of my recorded items disappeared. About 70%.
    It is still inviting me to upgrade, and , frankly, it is making me feel churlish and ungrateful
    to refuse.
    Is there anything which makes older recordings disappear?
     
  17. SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

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    I bit the bullet and took it. Can't tell if I lost any recordings or parts of any. They all appear to be there, but I can't swear they're intact.

    I was hoping it just might possibly help out with some of the glitches I was having. Don't know yet if it did.
     
  18. Blowgun

    Blowgun DHMO User

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    Any insight you can offer regarding the questions in post #8 would be most appreciated.
     
  19. STDog

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    Let it "upgrade" in early Feb.
    I lost all recordings and all timers. And it's dumped the recordings & timers twice since then.

    It has been OK for the last 2 weeks though.

    No noticeable changes in operation/function though.
     
  20. Blowgun

    Blowgun DHMO User

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    From a user's perspective, it would seem that the P4.09 upgrade is horrible. That, it doesn't fix any of the tremendous amount of problems in P4.08 and worse, creates new ones. Very disappointing for something that was two years in the making.

    From a DISH perspective, if the problems finally get you to upgrade your receiver, well, lets just say it helps DISH tremendously.
     

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