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R15, by camparison, or on it's own merits?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV SD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by ApK, Apr 20, 2006.

How do we judge the R15

  1. Compared to my other DVR, the R15 is bad!

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    0.0%
  2. Compared to my other DVR, the R15 is good!

    28 vote(s)
    44.4%
  3. I try not to compare the R15 my other DVR, it's just plain bad.

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    20.6%
  4. I try not to compare the R15 my other DVR, it's good on it's own merits!

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    6.3%
  5. I've never used another DVR. The R15 is bad!

    17 vote(s)
    27.0%
  6. I've never used another DVR. The R15 is good

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    1.6%
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  1. Earl Bonovich

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    Ahh... I guess you werent referring to me then..... now I know whom you are talking about.
     
  2. ghstbstr

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    I am not new to DVR's in any way, but I like my R15-300.
    I think that I "like it" or "love it" as you put it, because I am not as picking as most people seem to be that finds every little thing that happens on the R15 as a problem.
    I said it before and I will say it the(my) R15-300 works good/fine/great, and it works as it is supposed to.
     
  3. walters

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    Again, I didn't say it. Just seemed an appropriate quote given the poll results.

    I'm glad it works so well for you, but for me it's a non-starter. I don't have one because it just doesn't meet my needs in it's current form. I don't want to hate it. I just want it to be good enough to consider getting one.
     
  4. ApK

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    So it's supposed to drop a few seconds of audio when it comes out of pause?
    It's supposed to change channels 5 minutes early to record, cutting the end off of the show you're watching?
    It's supposed to stop the recorded show you're watching and flip you to a tuner when it changes channels to record?

    I must have missed those features in the manual.

    Seriously, I DO like my r15. It's become our primary DVR, and I have gotten used to some the differences from my Tivo.

    But those things, while merely annoyances, not showstoppers, are problems that shouldn't be there.
     
  5. ghstbstr

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    Well I have been using my DVR everyday for almost a month now and I have not had those three(3) issues/problems/features(as you call it) with my R15-300.
     
  6. Wolffpack

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    When you pause a program and start play, you don't loose audio for a second or two once the video starts?

    You have never seen the "need to change channel" message 5 minutes before a program is about to record?

    How many SLs do you have?
     
  7. ApK

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    I can see two possibilities here (well, three, but I'll assume you're not just lying. ;) )

    1. Either your unit truly doesn't have these issue.
    2. Or you unit does, but your usage patterns prevents you from seeing them (perhaps you never watch a show while you have two tuners busy at once or, you never use the play button to relase from pause, etc.)

    If it's it 2, then it's not a big deal.

    But if it's 1, that means the problems with the unit are not consistantly reproducable, which means they are hard to detect and fix, which is bad news for all of us waiting for fixes!
     
  8. samo

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    That reminds me all the comments in TCF about DishPVR. "I don't have one, I never used one, but based on what I read on DBS forums it is junk and SA TiVo rules". I have used SA TiVo, then DishPVR, then DirecTiVo and R-15. Since I never used networking features of SA TiVo (not because I don't have a network or don't know how to connect TiVo. I just have absolutely no use for any of the TiVo networking features), to me SA TiVo sucks compare to any other DVR I used. DircTiVo is OK, but GUI still sucks compare to DishPVR or R-15. As far as set of features, R-15 is the best of all DVRs I ever had. Can't wait to get 30 sec skip/slip so I can start using R-15 for non-premium channels. For now I'm only using R-15 to record PPV and premiums only, can't get used to FF commercials after using 30 sec skip for years. I'm not going to rehash what I don't like about TiVo - list is too long, but I can say this - "If you new to DVR or never used anything but TiVo - you will love it, if you had and used other DVRs you'll find TiVo short on quite a few useful features"
     
  9. ApK

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    I think you'll find your self in very small minority here. Even discounting the networking, which I DO use and like, except for two tuners, the bigger hard drive and the price, my SA Tivo blows the R15 away by any meaningful comparison I can come up with. I'm sure it comes down to the specific features one uses and finds valuable in a DVR, but unless "horoscopes" is high on your list, I'd be hard pressed to come up with a feature set argument for the R15 against the Tivo.
     
  10. mechman

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    I've come from Dish:

    1 - 522
    1 - 721
    1 - 508
    1 - 510

    The only main gripe I have about the R15 is the no RF remote. It'd be a nice feature!

    mechman
     
  11. mechman

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    Mine seems to only lose audio for maybe a second. But that's easy to fix, go back another second or two.

    As for the other 2 problems, you must have overlapping recordings. I have never had it switch channels on me. But I don't have any overlapping recordings either. My R15's use both tuners fine, you may have a dog...

    In addendum: I did have experience with overlapping recordings on my dish hardware, so I was aware of the problems it can create when I came to DirecTV. And, as a side note, I've never had a Tivo. My neighbor has one and I can't say that I care for it too much. But I attribute that to being unfamiliar with it.

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  12. ApK

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    Being able to work around a problem doesn't stop it from being a problem, small though it may be.
    Neither of the other two issues have to do with overlap. They have to do with a problem with the way the R15 manages it's channel changing.
     
  13. mechman

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    I know what you mean. I like blue, so grass is a real problem for me. :D Except for blue fescue of course!:D You must have your fingers completely in tune with your remote/receiver to hit it just in time to miss that couple seconds!!:lol: You say toMAYto I say toMAHto...

    These buggers confound me. Like I said I have 2 - 500s and a 300, watch the 500s all the time and the 300 sparingly, and I've never seen this problem. Not trying to trivialize or discount it on yours. Maybe you should call and get a replacement? :confused:

    Don't recall ever reading about it anywhere. Anyone else's R15 change channels on them when it needs to record a show? Is it hooked up to 2 sat lines? Is there an overlap? If there's no overlap, it shouldn't change a channel from what you're watching. Mine do not.

    mechman
     
  14. Wolffpack

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    The "I need to change channels message"? Sure I do. I only have one tuner and expect it. I'd just like to be able to say "go ahead and change channels when you need to, not 5 minutes before hand".
     
  15. mechman

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    There's a relatively easy solution to this *problem* though...

    Have a second coax hooked up. They installed my first one that way, and I installed the other two that way. I understand that some folks may not have the outputs readily available or not have the means to run their own rg6 cables thru their walls, but how is that a problem with the receiver? I'd label it more like "an annoyance to a select few". (Now I've probably set off a few by saying "easy solution" - here comes a few more helpful posts)

    As I've stated earlier, I don't mean to push people's buttons. Yet I also came from a long line of dish network crapola, and compared to that, I'd take the R15 anyday. Unfortunately for me, I've never been exposed long term to tivo. And I realize that alot of you have, please bear with me. I do own a HR10-250. But it won't be subbed and running for a few more weeks, once the basement theater is done. Maybe then I'll be enlightened?!?!? :)

    A happy DirecTV subscriber,

    mechman
     
  16. ghstbstr

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    I have noticed the loosing volume for a second or two after pausing then pushing play, but it doesn't always happen and that's not a problem or an issue to me because I have notice my Series 1 Tivo and two of my DVD players that do that, so that is not a big deal.
    No I have not seen the message "need to change channel" because the R15 has two tuners, and I do not watch a "live" show and record two more shows at the same time. If you see that message then I think you need to have a second R15, because you seem to need it.
    I have around 12-14 Series Links's at any given time on my R15-300.

    So I am sticking to it that I do not have or had any problems/issues with my R15-300, and that it works perfectly as it supposed to.
     
  17. Wolffpack

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    Cool Deal.
     
  18. qwerty

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    I don't think the:
    "It's supposed to change channels 5 minutes early to record, cutting the end off of the show you're watching?" problem was adequately described. Try this, and I'm sure you'll be able to duplicate the problem.

    Say, for the sake of argument, that it's 5:45pm.
    1. Tag shows on 2 different channels to record at 6:00pm.
    2. Start watching live TV on a channel other than the 2 you have set to record.
    3. At 5:55pm you'll get the dialouge box saying that the R15 must change channels to record those shows at 6:00pm. Choose yes to change channel, or one of the shows won't record. That leaves you with 3 choices. 1) Select no, and one of your shows won't record. 2) Select yes and the channel will change and you miss the last 5 minutes of the show you're watching. 3) Watch the last 4-5 minutes of the show you're watching with that dialouge box on the screen, and then select yes before 6:00pm so that you're recordings will record.
     
  19. walters

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    Sure, but I don't need to try a Miata to know I can't fit my three kids in there. I'm not talking just about bugs or UI choices. I'm talking mostly about "here, give me a list of the 50 series you'd like me to record." Sorry, but I can't narrow it down that far. Until they fix that I wouldn't even be able to evaluate it for the other stuff.
     
  20. mechman

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    I understood exactly what was happening. I just don't view it as a problem. An annoyance, sure for some - but not for me. As an example, when the new Soprano season started, I specifically set it up to record the HBO-W showing so that it would not conflict with West Wing on NBC. I owned a Dish pvr721 (dual tuner), so I was familiar with recording two channels at once and the consequences that go along with it. I don't recall if it had to change channels 5 minutes in advance or if this could be changed, but I know it did it.

    Didn't any of the Tivo units have dual tuners?

    The only problem with this receiver as far as I can tell is the Series Link logic. Most SL's that are set up for first run record reruns. But I don't view it as a big problem. It's pretty easy to go and delete shows you don't want.

    mechman
     
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