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Rain issues, not happy!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by xceebeex, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. matt

    matt New Member

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    Yeah if mine goes out, my truck better be in the garage, grill and lawn furniture secured, and cat brought in because something big is overhead.
     
  2. georule

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    Yeah, the heavy rain doesn't actually have to be right over top of you. It could be a few miles to your south, and rain cells can be pretty focused. Your signal strengths look good to me, but if, as you sound like, you're pretty new, I'd give it a little more time to get a real feel for how much of a problem this is.

    I logged all my outages the first year (just ended) in Minnesota, where we get even tornados in the vicinity every summer. I had 11, but most only lasted a few minutes (longest was 15 mins), and every time NOAA radar showed orange or red either right over us or just to our south.

    DVR is nice for those, and I also got an AM21 to hook a small indoor antenna into the DVR to keep me up on locals and still navigated (and even record) them thru the D* stb. Of course, how far from your local antenna farm you are makes a difference if that is a reasonable strategy for you. As I said, we get tornardos coming thru, so I wanted to be able to monitor the local TV stations for weather coverage even if I'm having a rain fade.
     
  3. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Yes - thanks for your post.

    Said many times...heard less often. :D
     
  4. David MacLeod

    David MacLeod New Member

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    THIS... I bet this was the issue both times. you may have been on fring of storm but your aim point could have been direct at the cell.
     
  5. DanG48

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    I have had Directv since 1995. During that time it has been in Florida except for the last 7 months that I have lived in North Ga. During the time I lived in Fl. and we had a fair share of storms, my rain fade was probably less than 3-4 times a year. I even had signal during the heaviest time of Hurricane Frances. I mind you the signal was only 30% but I had picture and watched movies, news with the help of a generator. Since I have moved to Ga. I have had it go out only once and that was for maybe 5 minutes. Yes there will be rain fade but I agree with other post that there is a lot of factors that can affect this.
     
  6. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

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    Over the 13 yrs I had DirecTV I'd have a couple rain fade events each year. May have had more but never noticed. Signal back in just a few minutes.

    Compared to cable that would be out for 2-3 *days* after a storm or just some wind.

    I know which I'd rather have. ;)
     
  7. Machael

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    The worst part of rain fade....it always seems to happen when my DVR is recording :nono2:

    It rarely happens, but we do get some big arse Tstorms here. 99% of the time it's gone pretty fast.
     
  8. xceebeex

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    It was probably only out for about 5-10 minutes, but my wife called me earlier this week and said the same thing happened. I understand that weather is always a factor, but for it to happen twice in the same week, both were minor storms that passed pretty quickly it just seems kind of strange to me. Plus the signal dropped all the way to 0, not just low, but 0.

    I guess we will see how things go. I will try and check the connections outside to make sure it is nothing obvious as well.
     
  9. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

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    Thing to check: Is it only going out when it's actually raining at your house? If so then I'd agree you may have a lose or bad connection. And not just at the dish but check all your lines from the dish to the entry point of the house for any splits or holes. And then check inside the house as well for splits or bends. Could just be a poor cable install.

    Or even a bad LNB that is allowing water to seep into it. I had an LNB like that where I wouldn't actually lose signal in rain but it would drop a lot due to condensation inside the LNB cap. The big problem I had was in the winter when that condensation would freeze to ice, it would make most signals go out. Replaced the LNB and all was good.
     
  10. georule

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    I don't know about older equipment, but my rig being a year-old, that's what I see when it happens too. Signal strength will fade into maybe the upper 40's while keeping a picture, and then boom --0 and no picture. I can't say I have ever seen a situation where I had no picture and some signal strength showing on the meters. As I said, I don't know about older stuff, but the new stuff just doesn't seem to do a smooth curve on the signal strength independent of whether there is a picture produced or not. No picture = 0 in my experience of the last year.
     
  11. georule

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    Yeah, a lot of people don't consider that. Cable goes out less often, but in *much* larger chunks.
     
  12. matt

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    Same here. It was a SWM LNB and I went to a SWM 16 so I just popped a legacy back in there and I haven't had any problems. I actually noticed a spot where there was no sealant on the caps. One of these days I will put back and call protection plan since that is what it is for... but I needed this other setup right away. :)
     
  13. cosmo

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    i think the dish needs to be dithered(centered or balanced)
    i notice with a dithered dish the range of the readings should be
    94 95 95 97 100 94 95 97 on any of the 3 sats.
    when i see
    94 97 85 96 91 87 the readings are a little eratic
    i would make sure the dish is dithered right. take 2 minutes.
     
  14. matt

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    2 minutes? It takes longer than that for me to even find my 1/2" socket much less drag a TV out where I can see the readings! :lol:
     
  15. xceebeex

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    Ok, well I have no clue what that means or how to go about doing that. I don't want to do anything that could potentially make this worse either.
     
  16. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Dithering is where you detune the signal by moving it off center to a given level, then move it back through center to the other side and the same drop in the level using the fine tuning adjustment and count how many turns this was. Next you move it half way [half the number of turns] back and this should be the center.
     
  17. xceebeex

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    Gotcha. I am not sure if that is something that I should try out or not. I would have to have my wife help out obviously since I don't have a TV on my roof. Plus who knows if I would even do it right to begin with and could potentially make it worse. (It doesn't really sound that difficult though, but just not sure if it is worth the hassle)
     
  18. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    If you're not comfortable, then either pass on it or have a service call.
    I pack up a monitor, receiver and use a long cord, so I can see the screen, since trying to get someone else to yell out what I need doesn't work here.
     
  19. hasan

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    Just keep in mind, depending on your locality, whenever you have dense, severe thunderstorms to your south, you will most likely have some outages. Here in the midwest, we get towering thunderstorms. When they are right overhead, there isn't much of a problem. When they are to the south, and the line-of-sight is directly through a large set of cells, we have outages. It has always been that way, and has gotten worse with the advent of HD, because they are running on an even higher frequency, which is suffers more precip loss.

    My signal levels are fine. Two different dishes on the house behave exactly the same way, even though they show slightly different signal levels.

    In our area, some precip fade is expected. There is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. This is just part of satellite reception (on these Ka/Ku band systems). C-band was not as vulnerable, but it did happen, however rarely.

    If the signal levels are good (and yours are), and the connections were properly waterproofed (no water in the coax now), and no corrosion from past poor installations, then any rain fade (or snow, for that matter) is something you may have to live with, or change to cable or fios (if available).

    I say "may", because I don't know what is "normal" for your part of NY. Here in Iowa, we will experience rain fade several times per year, and in a year like this one, where we are 12 inches over normal precip, it has been more often. That's how it is....here. YMMV.
     
  20. juliob61

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    I live in Columbia, SC, and rain fade is a fairly common occurrence here in the summer. My signal strength is in the 90s on all 103 transponders and in the high 90s on all 101 transponders, with many 100s on the 101s. We had an especially severe storm today, and every transponder on every satellite dropped to zero. I've had zero levels more than a few times in the last year. Today, the signals disappeared before the rain began, so the problem isn't moisture in the connectors.
     

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