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Really, only 50 Autorecords?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by jimrobinette, Oct 20, 2007.

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  1. Lee L

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    Everyone who is affected by this need to write to write and or call DirecTV to le tthem know this is a problem. Since as has been pointed out many people do not run into this right away, we need to make ourselves heard.

    And yes, I can see that 200 might be a limit that is never reached, but personally, I am for having as many features as possible and not for limiting what someone might dream up just because I don't do it that way.

    I can see how someone might have a bunch of autorecord searches for actors set up that most of the time do not return any results, but if they catch that certain movie when it runs at 3:35 AM on TBS it pays off. With the current 50 link limit (and maybe with any limit) I can see things like that not being as usefull.

    To me, the point of a DVR is to free you up from the mundane tasks of scheduling shows like we used to do with a VCR. The ability to keep all your Autorecords and Series links in there for shows that are not airing at any given time increases the utility of the DVR. HAving to go in and manipulate it all the time detracts from it.
     
  2. KurtV

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    I honestly can't imagine wanting more than 50 SLs. I can't even imagine wanting to regularly record more than 10 or 15. How much TV can you watch?
     
  3. Slyster

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    Goes both ways buddy! I cannot IMAGINE not having (currently) the max of 50 autorecords.. and mad at having to juggle the other 10-20 I wish so badly I could add. So your statement is worthless.

    Why would you even say that in a thread requesting more autorecords?
     
  4. Stoodo

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    No, the truth is you don't care about it and you think most people should agree with you.

    The 50 "Season Pass" is restrictive for some. Whether it is most (50.1%) neither you or I have that data.
     
  5. Lee L

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    Again, consider that many shows, such as anything on HBO and Showtime (The Wire, Dexter, Entourage, etc) , FX, (Damages, The Shield, Rescue me, etc) and TNT (Monk, The Closer, Dead Zone, etc) are only on for 13 weeks a year. Then add in networks like Discovery, TLC and Nat Geo (American Chopper, Mythbusters, Deadliest Catch, Seconds from Disaster, Trading Spaces, Build it Bigger, Modern Marvels, etc) that run for more than 13 but still not full seasons at a time.

    Under the 50 SL limit, sure, it would be possible to delete those shows recording automatically when the shows come back on.

    Add all those types of programs (16 I came up with off the top of my head currently and past shows like Sopranos and Deadwood are the same way) to the regular network stuff plus a few wishlists and you can hit 50 quite easily.

    Keep in mind that the vast majority of Americans do not have DVR's and probably can't imagine anyone needing one. Good thing they are not dictating to you whether you can own one or not. ;)
     
  6. Slyster

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    Could a moderator start a poll? It would be REALLY intersting too see the results!!

    50 SL is enough... 50 SL in not enough...

    something like that.
     
  7. Slyster

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    OK.. I figured out how to make a poll... :) NOW let's see whose boss? (jk!)
     
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    I don't want or need VOD and I bet most don't. I really don't think D* did any "market research" or even looked at ANY other DVR that is already out.
     
  9. KurtV

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    I just made a comment about how many SLs I use and wasn't making a judgement on your recording habits nor anyone elses.

    If my statement had been that I wanted more than 50 SLs would it still have been worthless?
     
  10. KurtV

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    I'm not dictating to anyone how many SLs they can or should have. I just don't have a need for anything near 50, let alone more.
     
  11. Slyster

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    No because this thread is titled "Really, only 50 Autorecords?" so I would assume that people who don't care wouldn't bother reading the thread and certainly not bother posting. Just my opinion. I am probably wrong too.
     
  12. KurtV

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    It's not that I don't care, it's that I find the limit of 50 SLs to be more than enough for my needs. Why does that bother you?

    This is a discussion forum, not a mutual admiration/agreement society.
     
  13. bafuerst

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    You are correct in saying that a modern database would not have a problem but the HR20 is not a DB and even if it was it would not have 4GB or more of memory to cache the index in. I would be surprised if the HR20 had 512KB of memory total so the index would have to remain on the hard drive slowing things down quite a bit.

    Again I'm comparing the HR20 to the HR10-250 and I know that it got slower the more season passes it had. If anyone with the HR10-250 ever tried to move a season pass to a higher priority they will remember how long it took for it check for conflicts. I may be wrong, but I would bet money that if the HR20 allowed more SL's then it would get slower.
     
  14. mrshermanoaks

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    As I said a year ago about the issue - "The HR20 - For people who like TV, but don't love it." For every show that I choose to record now, I have to stop recording another one. If I were a TV network, this would disappoint me. It means that I'm far less likely to try out a new show - which I thought was one of the big advantages to having a PVR.

    If 50 series recordings satisfies like 95% of the owners, as some people suggest, then why not up the limit to 75 which would satisfy 99%?

    And a year ago, I thought this would have been cleared up by now. I'm so incredibly disappointed that this is still an issue.
     
  15. phat78boy

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    No offense, but it would probably be cheaper to just give the 4% another HR20/21.
     
  16. mrshermanoaks

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    Really? Maybe I missed the thread that explained what an intense programming challenge this would be...
     
  17. phat78boy

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    I'm not claiming to have great knowledge of the code that runs the box. I have written code before though and what seems like a little change is sometimes the biggest pain there is. If it could be easliy done, I would assume it would be. Making that one change could cross impact a thousand different things. From database relationships to memory utilization. Just think of the complaints if the limit caused a 10% greater memory utilization on a box that is already deamed slow.
     
  18. tooloud10

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    The HR20 is deemed slow? News to me, and probably every person that's ever used a Tivo.

    Oh, and judging by the number of new versions this box goes through, I don't buy the "difficulty" factor on this. No one's asking the darn thing to cook them breakfast--just change the limit.
     
  19. phat78boy

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    I personally believe the speed is fine, but there is usually a thread or two a week about slow channel changing or the box getting hung. I understand peoples complaints and how easy it seems. I just think there might be much more to it then just changing a simple text file to 75 instead of 50.
     
  20. mrshermanoaks

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    Look, a year ago the complaints were all that the HR20 couldn't be trusted to perform its basic functions as a DVR - record shows, play them back, etc. DirecTV has taken great strides in making it as reliable as any other PVR I've owned. In general, I'm really really happy with the HR20. And as a programmer myself, I'm quite aware that changing this limit is not a simple matter of changing that parameter - 50 to 75. There are memory and processing issues involved.

    But there hasn't seemed to be any problem with all of the channels that DirecTV has added to the lineup - each one representing another data source to be examined. And there hasn't been any memory problems associated with adding music and picture playback.

    So I find it a poor excuse to leave this artificial limit in place because "it might affect other things" or "suck up memory". Even if they bumped it 10 slots it would help a lot of people.

    When you build a PVR for people who love TV - own HD sets, pay $$$ for football games played just one day a week, love to have a zillion networks and watch a ton of TV - I'm still amazed that they would leave a limit like this in place. It's like they don't know their own customers.
     
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