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Recordings tied to Receiver (why not Access Card or Account?)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by CTskydiver, Oct 4, 2010.

  1. Richierich

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    Well, I've had 2 DVRs Crap out because of a Bad Power Supply and if I could have kept the drive and placed it in a New Replacement DVR then I would not have lost any Recordings so I wish it could be done because I don't think it would be that big of a deal to replace the existing RID # with the customer's account number and then replace all recordings with the customer's account number embedded it it instead of the RID.
     
  2. Rich

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    OCD? Moi? I think I resemble that remark! :lol:

    But that's what makes me not care if an HR or an HDD fails. Backup, backup, backup.

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  3. TBoneit

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    It has to be possible since Dishnetwork has a Account key that allows all external hard drives to be moved from one VIP series DVR to another and still work on the same account. Normal price is $40, however I've read where people who were having DVR problems were given that access for free to save their recordings.

    It is possible to presume that since the Dishnetwork EHD recordings are encrypted that maybe the VIP series DVRs have some hardware that the D* HR series DVRs do not and thus they have to be tied to the receiver by D*
     
  4. TBoneit

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    Silly question, Is there a security seal that would have prevented you from swapping the power supplies? A lot of times when a power supply goes bad it is from bad capacitors. I speak from experience in the Computer field. I change them regularly in the Computer Power supplies and Motherboards as well as having fixed LCD monitors with bad capacitors.

    I'll go one step further on computers I'm refurbing to sell. I pull the power supply and open it up for a visual inspection. A fair percentage have capacitors going bad. Bulged tops or bases being pushed out.
     
  5. P Smith

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    My guess DTV is using internal key(in HW or FW) for scrambling the records, when dish - external, via a card. Latest method could be patented.
     
  6. Richierich

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    I didn't know how to replace the Failing Power Supply and it did have bulging in it and I later found a company that could replace them and it wasn't that expensive to do but I was in a hurry and I now wished I would have been more patient.
     
  7. Richierich

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    I'm like RICH584 where I have 3 DVRs each with 2 TB Drives Backing Up my 4 other DVRs each also with 2 TB Drives in them. This is my Archival System for now and it works pretty darn good but I Only Have 13 Gigabytes of Storage Capacity and RICH has 18.5 Gig with 12 DVRs so for now he is King!!!
     
  8. 1948GG

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    Long ago, I came to the conclusion that folks here simply don't want to do basic 'due diligence' when trying to figure out things.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=129932&highlight=hauppague

    is the base thread I started long, long, ago. Every once in a while someone will bring this h/w up, and I may comment on it and other things.

    Several folks have commented on how many HR's they have, with x Gigs of stuff on them. I went down that route long ago, way before DirecTV came up with their current 'system', and quickly found out (after losing LOTS of recorded programs when either external/internal drives or the receiver 'hosting' them when off the tracks) that the only way to really 'save' things is to GET IT OUT of the DirecTV system.

    I currently have close to 18TB on my RAID6 home network (currently 44TB capacity), recorded off/through my HR's, that will NEVER (well, okay, the house could burn down and take the array with it, the nearby volcano could erupt, '2012' could actually be true...!) be lost.

    Now, the next step is when/if the drive manufactures will get 3 or 4TB drives out the door.

    Again, it comes back to no real 'road map' to any 'whole home' system by DirecTV, or any other 'home' provider. But there are quite a few high-end systems out there that do what I've done, at several times the cost (and complexity). You can do it too.
     
  9. Rich

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    I had read your thread, didn't understand it for the most part. My bad. I did get that you could transfer content from the 20-700 to your computer and play it on another device. That always stuck in my mind and I thank you for the link. I've argued your point on several occasions and been shot down every time.

    As to using a lot of HRs loaded with a lot of capacity, I think it was the easiest route to take, less hassle. I'm very lazy. :)

    Rich
     
  10. 1948GG

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    It'll work up to and until one of your machines 'goes south'. Then all your work is toast.

    I currently have 3 HR's, HR20-700 (feeds my storage system) and 2 HR20-100's (although the last s/w upgrade has rendered them more like HR20-05's, guess it was great while it lasted, or unless/until they 'fix' the s/w).

    I started out using PCH-110's, upgraded to PCH-200+ for 'players'. There's a lot of little stand-alone network/media players out there now (from Roku to Apple2), I'm about to do a review of the latest Samsung Blu-Ray boxes, but none currently come close to the PCH's, and also will be doing some 'N+' wireless networking with the newest Netgear multi-band/mutli-route boxes.
     
  11. TBoneit

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    Yeah, a darn shame, fixing your power supply would have saved your recording.
    However you know for the next time.

    Good Luck
     
  12. Richierich

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    I don't think you are Lazy anymore than I am but you have to be a PC Technically Oriented Person and I can just barely change out my drive in my PC let alone due what he has done. I commend him on his intelligence and expertise.

    I am Happy with my 7 DVR System with 13 Gigabytes because every recording that I really want to keep for longer than 30 days is Backed Up and if one of those DVRs has a Bad Hard Drive then I will still have the Recordings on another DVR and with WHDVR I can still view it as before.

    The only problem would be then if that DVR Crapped out on me and what are those chances and by then I probably wouldn't need those recordings as with practical use you just don't find the time or reason to go back and watch old recordings.

    I thought I would but in practicality I just don't have the time or inclination since I have so much recorded I can't watch the current stuff and have to be selective.

    However, it is Nice to be able to go back and watch a Super Bowl or a Great Golf Event once in a while but it happens rarely.
     
  13. CTskydiver

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    Appreciate all the comments.

    My thinking, and I could be wrong, but it would seem to me a pretty simple code edit. Just change the part of the DRM that says "verify receiver ID = xxxx. If yes, than play" to "verify account ID = yyyy. If yes, than play".

    I understand that this "feature" doesn't currently rate DirecTV's priority to-do list; but unsupported as externals may be, DirecTV just emailed me yesterday encouraging me to add an external hard drive to my DVR and telling me how easy and rewarding it is.

    If they are going to encourage us to do it, they ought to make sure to protect us from grief. Lock a single engineer in his or her office for the day to write the fix to the DRM code and have it rolled out in the next update.

    How hard could it be?
     
  14. Mike Bertelson

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    While I have no idea how hard this would be, it does bring up some questions.

    Is the RID hard coded kinda like a MAC address?

    Where is the account number stored? If it’s on the drive and not in the firmware then no matter where I put the drive, the account number will always be “correct”. If that’s the case then it’s more than just verifying the account ID. Could the firmware verify the account number independently of the drive prior to accessing the drive? I suspect that as long as a phone/internet connection is available this would be rather easy.

    Where do Dish receivers store that info?

    I guess I’d have to have some more info in order to speculate how this could be done.

    A lot of questions...does anyone know any of the answers? :grin:

    Mike
     
  15. Barry in Conyers

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    The answer is very simple; this will happen when senior management at DirecTV wants it to happen. Unless there is a cost or revenue advantage, it seems unlikely that senior management would be interested. Maybe another monthly fee???
     
  16. Rich

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    No, you're not reading my post correctly. My twelve HRs with about 18.5TBs in total of storage have all shows, all content backed up on at least three HRs each. If one HR goes bad, I just replace it and watch the shows on the other HRs that they are recorded on.

    In short, it's damn near impossible for me to lose programming. I haven't lost a show in years. Add to that the fact that I have 24 tuners and there's nothing I can't record, backup and view.

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  17. Richierich

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    AMEN!!! That is exactly what I am doing. Backing up every recording on every DVR with at least one Replication on another DVR.
     
  18. Rich

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    I'm still watching last year's series. I'll never get caught up. :)

    I read 1948GG's when he first started that thread and didn't understand it. I just reread it and still don't. And the posts weren't that hard to read, but I don't have the background to assimilate that kind of info.

    I guess what he's doing is very impressive, but I could no more do that than he could play a decent game at shortstop. Good to know that there is a way to record content off an HR and replay it on another device. That was the most important part of that thread, for me.

    Rich
     
  19. Richierich

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    Yes, a little too technical for the Average Joe Six Pack and what you and I have works very well even though it is a Pricey Way To Go!!! :lol:

    I recorded 6 Football Games and 2 Golf Events at the same time while also recording a couple of other shows. Fantastic!!!
     
  20. Rich

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    Not sure, but I think Dish charges about $40 one time for the ability to use any HDD on any DVR on an account. I'd happily pay that.

    The one thing I don't want to see is D* telling us which external devices to use. I like the freedom of using various external setups. I don't know for sure how Dish handles this, but I have a feeling they limit the external devices to just a few. Perhaps someone with Dish could answer this question?

    Rich
     

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