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Safety-Net woes. (9417 PI)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by music_beans, Sep 26, 2003.

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  1. Mike Phillips

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    Tony could you give us a listing of what channels are eligible for PI status.Thanks,Mike
     
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  3. TNGTony

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    What he said. :)

    I just updated the page to reflect the Safetynet thing

    See ya
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  4. James Long

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    That's what I thought. 4% of capacity, not 4% of channels uplinked or available to customer.

    119º has 21 E* Transponders capable of 12 channels each = 252 capacity, 4% would be 10.08 channels - rounded to 11.
    119º has 9 active PI channels - looks like they are not counting full capacity.

    110º has 27 E* Transponders active (TP20 and TP25 seem to be off) = 324 capacity or 12.96 (13) PI channels.
    110º has 9 active PI channels as well.

    61.5º has 17 E* Transponders including the LMA = 204 or 8.16 (9) PI channels - there were 6 before SafetyNet's demise.
    148º has 23 E* Transponders active = 276 or 11.04 (12) PI channels - there were the same 6 as on 61.5º.

    Obviously the use of transponders for HDTV reduces the channel count, but those transponders still have the capacity for 12 standard channels - more actually as the FEC gives a little more available bandwidth -- but then we don't see ANY PI channels in HDTV ... (IMHO there needs to be one to represent 4-7% of the HDTV capacity).

    And now we have two new birds --- 105º has 24 transponders - at 26000 sr 2/3 fec they can actually put more than 12 channels each or even more if they go to the 5/6 fec used on other birds. But at 12 channels and 17 active transponders (so far) that's nine that need to be PI's (unless the PI rules don't apply to FSS). 121º has a few active transponders as well. (Obviously it does E* better to have 12 channels per transponder and turn off all the transponders they can to lower their PI obligations.)

    Evidently E*'s calculations are lower than mine ... or at least what they show the FCC is lower. :D
    Odd. The FCC ruled that PBS and other non-comm locals could not be counted as PI channels to satisfy the PI rules. If E* added Daystar national in place of carrying all the various licensed Daystar affilates in effect they are using a PI as a local.

    Perhaps E* should take Daystar and Familynet out of the PI packages (making the Dominion slightly happier) and provide the feeds only to local markets that have a Daystar or Familynet affiliate as part of their 'locals' package. It would seem more honest use of the feeds (if that is why they are on the bird).

    Personally I'd like to see E* get up to 24 PI channels on Dish 500, plus 10 more on the wings and 10 more on SuperDish. Add one HDTV PI for good measure. That would be a decent package of PI's.

    (Or they could just buy SkyAngel and move it to 121°. :D Nahh.)

    JL
     
  5. FTA Michael

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    I don't know whether this is what Mike's asking for, but I'd like to see a list of known channels eligible to be added to E*'s PI lineup.

    Looking at the AT200 page (http://servicedesk.dbstalk.com/AT200.htm), I'd guess the following are eligible:

    Classic Arts Showcase
    God's Learning Channel
    Jesus Christ TV
    Shepherd's Chapel
    Total Living Network
    Varsity TV?
    The Vision Channel

    Then there's the :nono2: Al Sharpton-backed The Word Network, which is on D* and several cable systems.

    And with the hundreds of universities in our land, can't there be one or two more state community college networks or 24-hour local cable outreach education channels that could be uplinked?

    I'll bet that E* has a list that's much better than this one. Who do suppose chooses the PI channel? Mssr. Schwimmer? Any PI cricket channels out there? ;)
     
  6. Adam Richey

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    Jesus Christ TV would not qualify because it's owned by TBN, and I think TBN is already classified as a PI channel on Dish. Only one channel per company rule.

    Total Living Network would not qualify because it is not a nonprofit group. Varsity TV falls into the same category.
     
  7. James Long

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    All of the religious ones are out due to E*'s agreement with SkyAngel (unless the appeal blows that agreement out of the water). Personally, as long as SkyAngel is unwilling to add new stations E* should be allowed to give religious stations PI slots or even regular contract slots. But that's just my humble opinion.....

    JL
     
  8. FTA Michael

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    So Classic Arts Showcase wins by default? That would be cool!

    Seriously, anybody know what other existing PI channels might qualify?
     
  9. music_beans

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    Well, some.

    ESD101 Step Star Network. (some of it is seen daily on 9413 EE) Just your basic distance learning net.

    Annenberg/CPB Channel
    Peachstar
    JCTV (may not qualify)
    Church Channel (may not qualify)
     
  10. TNGTony

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    JCTV is owned by TBN so it wouldn't qualify. I don't know who owns the Church Channel.
     
  11. music_beans

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    Gee. How many channels does TBN own anyway?
     
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  13. James Long

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    It is yet another TBN channel:
    www.churchchannel.org

    I suspect we will be seeing state government programming, such as Michigan's Government channel -- if they are willing to spring for the wholesale costs....

    As far as my earlier calculations ...
    It appears that it comes down to what the definition of channel capacity. Turning off channels seems to get E* off the hook.

    BTW: Anyone want to go to Echostar on a field trip? 47 CFR 100.6 REQUIRES that E* (and other DBS providers) keep their measurements of channel capacity, list of channels carried INCLUDING RATES, list of channels requesting capacity and why they were denied, and record of requests for political advertising time. All that is required to be in E*'s public file, "available to the public as soon as possible."

    I assume that their "Public File" is kept in their offices in Colorado. It is a violation of FCC rules to deny access to the public file.

    JL
     
  14. CharlieMount

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    My name is Charlie Mount, the General Manager for Classic Arts Showcase. Someone sent me a link to this discussion, and I found it very interesting. I won't be on here long, because I'm not sure if its appropriate for a content provider to be here, but I did want to let you all know that CAS has just applied to DISH as a public interest channel, and I very much appreciate your support and kind words about our free program.

    Charlie Mount
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    www.classicartsshowcase.org
     
  15. Cyclone

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    Wow, Thanks Charlie. My mother is glued to your network on her cable system. I do not dare sugest DBS to her until CAS is on there. :D Add myfeed back to the suggestions. I have become a fan too when I visit her.

    You should put a "Petition Dish Network" link on your home page next to the Petition DirectTV link.

    Click here to contact Dishnetwork: feedback@echostar.com
     
  16. music_beans

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    W:)w! That doesn't happen very often. Hope it goes through!
     
  17. jegrant

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    I wouldn't mind seeing Annenberg/CPB Channel at all. I wonder though, if it would be a conflict of ownership interest with PBS, or perhaps more likely, PBS and its affiliates would do everything in their power to keep it off a national satellite for fear that consumers would watch Annenberg & CPB content there, bypassing local and/or national PBS pledge drives.
     
  18. FTA Michael

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    I just posted a "question" on the Dish site asking for Classic Arts Showcase. I suggest that everyone else do the same, lest we be faced with another niche channel like medical research or something.
     
  19. James Long

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    Or a "closed circuit" feed channel where you can't get a program guide.

    JL
     
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