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Samsung and DIRECTV Partner to Deliver World’s First RVU-Compatible Production TV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. BattleScott

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    Is this functionality along the same lines as the AllVid proposal, or is this a more provider/manufacturer specific technology?
     
  2. Stuart Sweet

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    I think RVU is an industry-wide initiative, so a lot of the decisions are made by the Alliance as opposed to by DIRECTV alone.
     
  3. matt

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    Not having to purchase a Monster brand HDMI cable to connect each DVR. :lol: I would hope the increased price for an RVU TV versus one without it would be less than the cost to lease an HD DVR. If the RVU functionality were only $50 more then you could come out ahead real fast on multiple TVs in the house.

    Shame on your for not having a spare. :D What happens now when your power inserter goes out? What about your LNB? External SWM? You gotta keep those old RCA receivers and 18x24 dish tucked away in the garage if it really means that much to ya!
     
  4. Stuart Sweet

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    The big deal is that there are plenty of homes where people want to keep their TV setup to one wire in and one box. Obviously we're not all like that.
     
  5. CCarncross

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    It took you an awful long time to get to that conclusion Craiger......:lol:
     
  6. Satelliteracer

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    Yes, single point of failure is something that that any server based system would be of concern.

    In terms of the mirroring fee, that will still be charged. The streams still have to be authorized by the server and television is still being mirrored to other rooms \ devices, whether that's through a true set top box, a client box, or the RVU enabled television.
     
  7. RAD

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    OK, get ready for the flames.

    If the current 'lease' fee will be charged for a TV that has the build in RVU client then IMHO that's a bad move. With a leased box DIRECTV needs to recover part of the cost of making the STB, along with the authorization and any replacement in case of a failure. With the RVU client built in the TV DIRECTV didn't pay anything hardware/software wise in that TV so IMHO the mirror fee should be something less then the current $5 (soon to be $6) lease fee.
     
  8. Steve

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    Would be nice if they moved to a "simultaneous use" licensing model for the server box.

    So let's say the server can handle up to 3 simultaneous clients, but you have 5 RVU-capable TV's in the home. Since you can only watch up to 3 at a time, I wouldn't expect to pay monthly fees for 5 locations. Know what I mean?
     
  9. bigjoelee

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    well also from reading the article it would not provide a way to "change the channel" it would only be able to play what is on the DVR. So I guess you would need an iphone or somthing to set recordings on the fly in the other room to start playing them on that tv, also probably no guide. Atleast that is my take on it.
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  10. DogLover

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    This would make sense, if it weren't for the fact that long before they started leasing receivers, the mirror fee was $5 for owned boxes. This had nothing to do with recovering the cost of the box, but was simply the price to mirror the programming. (It too, will soon be $6.)

    A logical question, would be why isn't there both a mirror fee and a lease fee charged for leased boxes? (The answer is probably that the market wouldn't handle having to pay both fees.)
     
  11. Beerstalker

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    Thats why some of us have been trying to tell people that the Lease Fee on your bill isn't actually a lease fee. It is the mirroring fee for a leased receiver. DirecTV really shouldn't have used that term like they do. The only lease you ever pay for a DirecTV receiver is the cost you pay up front ($99 for HD receiver, $199 for HD-DVR, etc).

    I totally agree with Steve though. I hope DirecTV doesn't just charge $6/month mirror fee for every single TV/client box in the house automatically. They should just charge for the number of clients you want to be able to use simultaneously. For example my parents have 8 TVs in their house. They shouldn't have to pay $42/month in mirroring fees (6x7=42, assuming the first client is free) just because they have that many TVs. The most that will ever probably be used at once in their house is probably 4. They should be allowed to have clients on all TVs and only pay for 4 mirror fees. If they turn on a 5th client and try to access the box it could have a screen that pops up saying that no streams are available or something like that. Kind of like how with MRV if you try to watch a recording from a DVR that is already streaming to a different device it won't let you until you stop the other recording.
     
  12. BattleScott

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    I would like to see them carry it even further. The fee should be based on the number of available tuners in the box. The number of clients that use those tuners should not be of any concern since they are not owned by, or provided by DirecTV. If I connect 1 TV or 100, I can still only access 5 tuners between them.
     
  13. JoeTheDragon

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    But cable is also going to a system like this what fees will they have or will the system just get rework?

    Say like maybe a $12? rent fee for RVU + DRV fee or you can keep your old boxes at $6 each?

    or maybe be like fios and have $20 rent for the main box.

    But what will the fcc do if the cable co push this outlet BS under all vid?


    The Canada system where you have the choice or buying or renting the box seems to be a good fit for a all vid system.
     
  14. JoeTheDragon

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    But right on D* a 1 tuner box has the same mirroring as a 2 tuner box.
     
  15. Citivas

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    I saw the HMC30 (they were calling it that for now) and the Samsung RVU-compatible TV's in action today. The Samsung's can't receive the signal from the box via coax-based DECA or MOCA, only Ethernet. So the "one cable" solution would need to be a place you have wired for Ethernet or you'll need some conversion process whether it is a powered DECA converter, powerline adapter or WAP. On the plus side, if you have a spot with just an Ethernet port but no coax you could now power a TV there, though I suspect this is less common.

    So far Samsung is the only company that's announced a compatible product and DirecTV didn't suggest any others were expected at least at this show. The "point" to someone else's question is being able to have TV locations without a receiver box. And and HMC30 is still compatible with MRV so you can mix it up with other DirecTV boxes too.

    If you don't get the new Samsung's, for the moment they have much smaller receiver boxes that play with RVU to use, though then I would agree what's the point since you can always get compatible H-series non-DVR receivers for nothing from DirecTV.
     
  16. Citivas

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    How is it any different than most cable companies charging customers for each active cable card they use on compatible TV's? All your same arguments apply.
     
  17. RAD

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    AFAIK though they don't charge the same price for the cable card per month as renting a converter box.
     
  18. Citivas

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    I think that varies by company and market. And I have no idea what DirecTV will charge or how thier pricing will work so it's probably too early to debate it unless someone knows for a fact.

    When I asked about pricing they were vague, although I was speaking with someone on the dev team so maybe that was why but I suspect they just weren't ready to talk about it. All he said is there would be a "premium" over the standard box, but he could have been referring to the cost to acquire the box (which often ends up being comped by DirecTV anyway with promotional deals or loyal customer upgrades) versus the monthly cost or the unit costs for the satellite locations. I don't know.
     
  19. JoeTheDragon

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    comcast does or they just bill you that outlet fee that is the same as renting a SD or HD box.
     
  20. JoeTheDragon

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    But what about the new Fcc that forces the cable and sat co to move to 1 master box system. I don't think they can get away with a big fee on one.

    As for premium will it cost more then 1 HD dvr but less then 2? at full price?
     

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