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Samsung Smart TVs Firmware 1024 and higher (RVU support) - Issues/Discussion

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Dec 10, 2011.

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  1. markrogo

    markrogo Godfather

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    Right, if there was some lightweight microprocessor and enough flash to hold whatever code the provider needed to drop in there... It certainly could be done; as I said above, I'd expect progress to be glacial though.
     
  2. harsh

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    It isn't about software.

    The issue is the RF frequency and if the MoCA tuner isn't designed to tune the lower frequencies, no amount of software is going to fix it.
     
  3. markrogo

    markrogo Godfather

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    You can use software to define what frequencies the radio is listening to as well as what protocols its using.

    A generic MOCA part would have the ability to hear the appropriate range of frequencies, which is trivial to engineer.
     
  4. inkahauts

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    But would it? I really dont know? DirecTV uses a modified flavor that is outside any regular spec of freq for moca as a I recall.
     
  5. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    You're assuming much when you assume that the tuner is agile enough to shift frequencies that far. None of the MoCA certified units seem to be set up to do it. DIRECTV/MoCA chose a frequency for DECA that isn't a handy harmonic of the typical MoCA frequencies.
     
  6. harsh

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    DECA is fully within the MoCA 1.1 Mid-RF Annex specification and, by extension, the MoCA 2.0 spec. The problem is that most viewers couldn't use that band so they don't bother manufacturing them (outside of DIRECTV and maybe Echostar).
     
  7. jcricket

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    Glad to see this is getting out there, but I'm a little confused about the DECA/Ethernet requirements for RVU-connected TVs.

    So my setup would be TV in basement with the HR34 (replacing my HR22). Another TV in the bedroom (Samsung UN46D6300 - coming any minute now). Utility room in basement which is where the lines from the dish on the roof come in before being distributed to all the rooms (home runs all). There's also ethernet to every room (also distributed via the router in the utility room).

    I'm assuming I can connect the HR34 via either one or two coaxes to whatever's in the utility room (directly to cables from the dish or some kind of multiswitch).

    So what's in the utility room? The powered DECA/CCK? PI? Switch? Garden Gnomes?

    And how do I connect the TV in the bedroom? Only ethernet? Or ethernet and coax? Something else with the coax in the bedroom?

    Lastly - If I want this setup, is the HR34 is wide enough release now that I can simply call up DirecTV and request it? Or am I gonna have go through hurdles b/c I only have two TVs? I really want to avoid extra equipment in the bedroom setup if I can, which is why RVU appealed to me.
     
  8. drp392

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    After entering the pin on the client tv UN46D6400 I get this message (see attached picture). Does this mean there is something that a tech has to enable in our account to allow RVU? I have a case management ticket open and they aren't sure how to enable a new RVU location. They have arranged someone to come out on the 30th and get it setup but I was hoping I could somehow solve it before then.

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  9. dettxw

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    Knowledgeable people have posted that only a tech can get RVU enabled, so sound like you'll get fixed up soon.
     
  10. drp392

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    I just can't believe they want to waste money and time sending someone out when I have it 99% setup but don't have access to the secret RVU checkbox on the website.
     
  11. litzdog911

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    Since the whole RVU-enabled TV thing is still very new, I'm not surprised at all that DirecTV wants a live technician to set this up and properly enable it. Once they're more common this will likely change.
     
  12. inkahauts

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    First,since your an existing customer, you can't get it through DirecTV till sometime in feb. if you want one now, it's full pop and online retailers for you. Personally, I am waiting till feb, and I'd do the same if I where you, you might get a discount on it.

    Second, likely setup will be... New swim lnb for dish, one coax line to closet, where you will have a power inserted, and a splitter. You will likely have a bb deca there to connect to the Internet, since it sounds like your modem may be in that closet as well or at least a switch that you could plug into. Then you will have one line of coax that goes to your hr34 and that's it for that. You will the also have one line of coax that goes to your Samsung tv, and they will put a deca on that line at the tv to convert the coax to an Ethernet connector. That should be it. That's what I would expect them to do. But there are other ways that it can be done as well.
     
  13. penetronn

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    So with a Cat5 network throughout my house, I can use that instead of the "cinema connection kit" which I'm assuming is the DECA I've been reading about with DIRECTV? I wired it so there is a coax line and and ethernet plug in every room next to each another. They all route to a box in my front hall closet which has a built in router and splitter.
     
  14. inkahauts

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    I have heard that so far, deca will give you better performance than Ethernet connections with rvu. Now this may change, but I suspect that DirecTV will never support that configuration, and will always want a deca cloud system for supported, because it allows them to isolate any streaming issues from a customers own network equipment, like their routers and switches, which may not be optimized for streaming for these devices. This would be inline with how they deal with mrv now and I dont see them changing that path, as it would require a lot more knowledge and know how for their installers.
     
  15. jcricket

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    Thanks - super helpful/detailed reply. Makes more sense now.

    Indeed the modem/router is in the same room (utility closet) as all the other home runs. Interesting that they use a DECA at the TV to convert it to ethernet (rather than allowing it to run over ethernet to the TV itself). Not a problem (there's both coax and ethernet near that TV's new location).

    I guess I might just be waiting until February. Although part of me wonders if getting a second DVR wouldn't just be less trouble/cheaper. I just don't relish the whole MRV complexities I'm sure my wife will be annoyed about ("what do you mean I can't set up a recording on the basement receiver from the bedroom"). The HR34 seemed a much "cleaner" install.
     
  16. markrogo

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    We're talking about a hypothetical, generic MOCA interface on TVs and you're telling me I'm assuming too much. This is like me talking German and you speaking Klingon. Enjoy your qagh, this conversation is entirely pointless.
     
  17. Shades228

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    There is no such thing as a generic moca chip and that's what defines the frequencies that can be used.

    http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=190692&site=lr_cable
     
  18. penetronn

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    Thank you for the answer. I suppose I can just use the ethernet for a wired connection for my game system and the coax for DirecTV. And yes, they are probably going to simplify things for their installers. I'm also curious to see how the remote control works...that is if you will be able to use the Samsung stock remote or if they are going to a DirecTV remote - perhaps an RF remote if the HR34 is in another room. RF is how DISH did it way back in the day when their 722s first starting showing up on the scene. If it's not RF, then I'm assuing the RVU firmware update for the Samsung Smart TVs would have had to include support for DirecTV remote control codes.
     
  19. inkahauts

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    I am not sure about remotes, but, I think that you will be able to use either the tvs remote, or a rf remot supplied by DirecTV, although that remote will not be a regular remote, but a smaller one that's brand new and that we have seen a few pics of, and a couple people say they have received when turning on rvu.
     
  20. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    If your options is two hr24 or one hr34 and a client, IMHO it's not a contest. The hr34 will win every time, it allows for much more flexibility and ease of use, and I also have to wonder if it won't be less of a power draw as well especially if you have a rvu tv.

    As for cheaper, is there really a price to high for a happy wife? :)
     
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