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Scratching My Head, Weak(?) Channels

Discussion in 'DISH™ OTA Support and Discussion Forum' started by rrp13, Feb 14, 2010.

  1. rrp13

    rrp13 Cool Member

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    There are 2 OTA VHF channels in my area that I get about 75-80 signal strength when hooked directly to my TV and the signal is stable, very watchable. But, through my 722K, one of them will not come in at all, the other one goes in and out. I have one RG6 lead that comes in from my outdoor antenna and I have a Tru-Spec splitter splitting the signal to the 722K and my TV. I've removed the splitter and went directly to the 722K with no improvement. My TV gets the same signal strength with or without the splitter. I removed the tuner cartridge from the 722K and reseated it, still no improvement. According to tvfool.com, the transmitters for these channels are about 20 miles from me. I receive channels that are 65-70 miles away with about a 65-70 signal strength on the 722k and these channels are stable. I don't know what else to check, anyone got any other suggestions? Thanks!

    Richie
     
  2. rrp13

    rrp13 Cool Member

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    Well, screwed around some more, deleted the channel. Now, can't get it back. 722K channel scan won't pick it up. tvfool.com says the "Real" channel is 12. I go to Add Locals, go to channel 12, getting 96 signal but, no "Channel Number" resolves. I'm definitely out of ideas now.
     
  3. TheSolidSignal

    TheSolidSignal New Member

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    Its possible you may be getting too strong of a signal for those two channels. Stations within 25 miles, especially VHF, are susceptible to overdriving, or overpowering, your satellite tuner with too much signal. This results in little or no signal.

    If you are using a pre-amp, try taking it out of the system or try adding a 3 or 4 way splitter before the tuner to knock down the signal level. The fact that you get the further stations and not the closer ones only reaffirms my belief that you could be overdriving your tuner. While your other tv's may handle the signal quite well, the 722k has a very sensitive tuner.

    Good luck!
     
  4. rrp13

    rrp13 Cool Member

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    Not using a pre-amp. Will try the larger splitter.

    But, why would I be able to see signal in "Add Locals" on that channel yet, it won't resolve a channel number? Is that a symptom of too strong of a signal?
     
  5. rrp13

    rrp13 Cool Member

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    A 4-way splitter cuts my signal down so much that I lose the channels that are farther away. Guess I'm outta luck.
     
  6. rrp13

    rrp13 Cool Member

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    OK, tried one other thing I hadn't tried, I removed all splitters and connected the RG6 directly to the 722k. Both of the nearby stations are coming in fine now and the distant stations got a boost of about 6-7 signal level. I guess it isn't a big deal to not have the antenna connected directly to my TV. But, is there a way to split the signal without loss?
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Leapin' Lizard Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Any split signal results in signal loss. No way around that. In some cases you can boost/amplify the signal (IF you have a solid/strong/clean signal to begin with) and compensate for the split.

    It sounds like you were having the most trouble with the "Virtual channel" number encoding on the channel, and not so much the channel reception itself. I know I've seen my local stations have times when they were not properly broadcasting their virtual ID, but I don't know that I've ever been able to trace a problem down to a split signal at my end.

    Then again, I'm not actually splitting my antenna signal anymore.
     
  8. rrp13

    rrp13 Cool Member

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    Well, I removed the splitter a day after not being able to get the virtual channel so, was it the splitter or did they fix the virtual channel over night?

    I still seem to be having trouble with an overdriven signal on the 2 stations that are 20 miles from me. But, I get all 4 major networks on the stations farther away from me so, I don't guess I can't complain. Well, I can, but I shouldn't. :D
     
  9. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Leapin' Lizard Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Possibly... regarding the virtual channel. I've had a channel that sometimes would scan correctly, and sometimes not... within minutes of a previous scan. Then other times it would be wrong for an entire day, then fine the next day.

    Hard to peg that one down, since it is possible it could be a channel-specific issue that had nothing to do with your configuration.
     
  10. TheSolidSignal

    TheSolidSignal New Member

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    Hey, I'm glad to hear you're getting your channels now. While your 722K is biggest culprit in this setup, the splitter was adding some unnecessary noise to the signal.

    A small in-line amp, or amplified splitter, should make up for any loss that's incurred from the split. Your best bet is to place the amp as close to the antenna as possible, ideally right as the cable enters the house. If thats the case, then use a Winegard HDA-100. If you are unable to supply power there, then try an amplified splitter such as the Channel Master CM3412.

    Again, glad to see you have your channels working. As you can see, different tuners have different thresholds for how much signal is necessary to register as a channel. Others are more sensitive to signal to noise ratio.
     

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