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Search .vs. Wishlist shortcomings

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Tony Chick, Jul 19, 2007.

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  1. bto4wd

    bto4wd Duplicate User (Account Closed)

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    It does, but you really don't want to see a paging Linux system. The swap space allows the system to run using more memory than it has, but if an application has been designed depending on data being in memory and it's not, it's slower than crud. Just think of the speed of memory access versus HD access. Especially using swap space.

    Designing a CE device such as a DVR to run based on everything being in memory can really speed it up but can also be disastrous in the even you need more memory. Complicate that further by the original design accounting for limited guide info and you're pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard spot.
     
  2. Drew2k

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    You can do this on the HR20 using "Keyword" search. Input "HOSTEL" and then either select "MOVIES" or keep it on "ALL" and begin the search. Then choose Autorecord from the menu. Now you don't have try to remember it! :)
     
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  4. kevinturcotte

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    I didn't realize this. Somewhat works as a work around. Course, what happens after I search for 25 more items? Maybe the HR20 could NOT keep the search result by default, unless you specifically tell it to? That would help some.
     
  5. Drew2k

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    I wouldn't really call it a workaround, because the Autorecord Keyword Search exactly replaces functionality of the TiVo AutoRecord WishList search.

    The difference is the result though - on the HR20, as you point out, the ARKS (auto-record keyword search - if it hasn't been used yet, I'm patenting it!) uses up a slot in your prioritizer, whereas that limitation doesn't exist on TiVo. The limit on Series Links (including ARKS) is 50, though, not 25.
     
  6. kevinturcotte

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    That's another problem. I don't want it to auto-record. Just still be there when the movie's finally on (Be it 3 weeks or 23 months).
     
  7. Drew2k

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    I think I see what you're getting at now ...

    If you set a Keyword Search up, it uses one of the 25 slots permitted for the Recent Searches.

    If you set up an AutoRecord Keyword Search, you use up one of the 25 Recent Search slots PLUS one of the 50 Series Link slots.

    I agree there should be no limits on either searches or series links, but I can't think of any other suggestions other than occasionally deleting unused or old searches and series links ...
     
  8. Milominderbinder2

    Milominderbinder2 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '08

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    Earl,

    Can you find out if DIRECTV is as of today legally prevented from using these patents? In other words: Does DIRECTV's contract with TiVo deny DIRECTV access to the patents for Suggestions and Wishlists?

    The reason I ask is that I had mistakenly thought that the DIRECTV was legally prevented from including Fast Forward Autocorrection due to patent issues. Then a couple releases back, Fast Forward Autocorrection showed up.

    Thanks,

    - Craig
     
  9. Milominderbinder2

    Milominderbinder2 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '08

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    What if the movie is on at 3:00 AM? Or a night you are out? What if when you get done watching the movie you want to save it to show the funny opening to your spouse?

    Those were just some of the problems with the old Autotune feature but in the non-DVR world Autotune was all you could do. Well, Sony had an Autotune that could control your VCR to turn it on, record, and turn it off again.

    But that is what a DVR does...

    That is why DVR's Autorecord. You get the Autotune and still have the right to delete it once you have watched the movie.

    - Craig
     
  10. kevinturcotte

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    I don't have ANY of my wishlists setup for auto record on my HR10. I go in once a week (Usually Monday) and manually select "Search All Wishlists." Before my HR20, I'd just set the HR10 to record it, but now I have to transfer the recording over to the HR20. There are quite a few wishlists I have setup that I don't want it to record everything, as they're category wishlists, or keyword wishlists.
     
  11. Milominderbinder2

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    That you can do.

    Just do your HR20 Search and it will automatically be saved unless you click Delete at the end. Go back and run your Searches once a week on the HR20. We do this to avoid Autorecording.

    - Craig
     
  12. kevinturcotte

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    But then there's the problem of a movie I want to see that's not going to be on for 8-10 months. I want to see the Simpsons movie. But if I search for it right now, it won't show up, and it'll be gone by the time the movie actually gets on any of the movie channels. That particular movie I would remember I want to watch, but I'd have to see a commercial or something for it when it hit the movie channels. A lot of movies, though, I make a wishlist, and when they finally show up months later, I don't remember making the wishlist for them, or even what the movie is about, I just know I wanted to watch it. How would I accomplish this on the HR20?
     
  13. Drew2k

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    You would have to do what I suggested earlier: Set up an Autorecord Keyword Search (ARKS) for "SIMPSONS" with category "MOVIE" and if you know the sub-category ("animation?", "comedy?"), add that as well.

    The bad news is this ARKS will take up one slot in your Prioritizer, but it will look for and record any movie with SIMPONS as a keyword. [strike]This could mean SIMPSONS is in the title, or in the description, so it could potentially also record a movie where Jessica Simpson is in the description.[/strike] EDIT: I take that back - If you add the "S" to the end, it would have to match SIMPSONS, plural, but it could still be something else OTHER than the movie that ends up being added to the To Do list.

    Unfortunately, the HR20 only has one KEYWORD search type, and it searches EVERYTHING. The TiVo had several types of "Wish Lists", including Title, Director, Keyword, etc., so you could narrow the focus of the search on the TiVo, but you can't on the HR20.

    The only thing to do is set your ARKS up for the movie, and then once a week look at your To Do list and cancel any upcoming recording for SIMPSONS that ISN'T one you want. (You can do that simply by pressing [STOP] on the title in the To Do list.)
     
  14. kevinturcotte

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    What happens to Auto Record searches when you go over the 25 limit mark? Does it delete them, or delete others, or what?
     
  15. Drew2k

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    I just checked, and apparently I have 25 recent searches! :)

    I just created a new one to see what happens ...

    It accepted my input, showed the results, and when I went to Recent Searches ... I still have 25 total. In other words, it knocks one out and replaces it. I have a lot of nonsense searches, but I did just realize which one was deleted: My keyword search for "IAMANEDGECUTTER" ... That was my oldest search, so guess when you're at a limit of 25, a new search will replace the oldest search in your list. That's also bad news if your oldest search is an AutoRecord search. :(
     
  16. kevinturcotte

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    I doubt they could ever use the actual term Wishlist, but maybe 2 separate search lists? One immediate, like now, and deletes as soon as you're finished with it, and a long term one, like the wishlists.
    Or at LEAST up the number of searches to, well, infinite would be great. I think I have over 100 on my HR10. Do a "Search All" feature, and maybe be able to go in and mark which ones you want deleted, like in the Now Playing List, or mark which ones you want searched.
    I think I'm going to be lost come September when all the new channels appear, and no way to search through them with wishlists.
     
  17. Drew2k

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    I have heard that DIRECTV is looking into adding a true top-level category search, and that would be great, because it would eliminate this kluge of a workaround.

    I don't see any legal reasons that DIRECTV can't just update or expand the existing keyword ssearch to permit a "type" to be selected. What are you searchng for? You should be able to specify this: Title, Actor, Director, Category, or "anything".
     
  18. kevinturcotte

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    It's not just what I'm searching for, it's like I mentioned before. I'd LOVE transfer all 100 (Or so) wishlists over to the HR20, and STILL have them ALL there when the show finally comes on, be it 2 weeks from now, or 12 months from now.
     
  19. Milominderbinder2

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    You are also touching on another bug in the HR20. It is supposed to be able to do a:

    Title Search Autorecord - pp. 20 & 31 & release notes for 0x115, 0x119, & 0x11b

    So you could set up a search for the title such as "The Simpsons Moivie".

    Problem one is that although the manual says you can auto record a title search, you cannot.

    Problem two is that Title Search does not let you enter a title. All you can do is select from a list of titles currently in the Guide. So since, the movie you want is not out yet, you can't set up a title search.

    - Craig
     
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