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Seeking HD Receiver without 2 year extension; WHO SELLS THEM?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Drivingrain, Aug 31, 2012.

  1. Carl Spock

    Carl Spock Superfly

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    I believe you have 24 hours to back out of any deal.

    Someone should verify this. We have CSRs who post here that could do that.

    I've already been wrong once in this thread. With a little forum searching this morning, I've found the posters who are into owned equipment state that activating owned gear doesn't start or extend a commitment, as peano and Mike Greer have said.
     
  2. Drivingrain

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    Reason #1: ST exclusivity is slated to run through 2014...but DTV is creeping it into other venues (i.e. SPS, etc). Why stick with DTV for two years if there might be viable alternatives in less time than that?

    Reason #2: More important than #1...the market changes. I like my cell phone service, why not sign up for 2 years with them? Prices change, deals change, hardware changes, everything changes. It's nice to be able to respond to the changes you like without being penalized. We all have our limits for this sort of thing. For me, it was a year.
     
  3. Mike Greer

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    You are correct - if you have a lease there is a charge if you cancel before your term is complete. You are also correct that both Dish Network and Comcast charge more monthly for 'outlet' fees. Just a different model and no doubt works for each provider or they wouldn't do it.

    I guess it comes down to what each subscriber's preference is.

    I've paid around $1400 in upfront 'lease' charges and the 'outlet' fee for 3 HR24s that I'll have to send back to DirecTV. Somehow I think DirecTV paid much less $1400 for these three boxes. When I do send them back they'll 'lease' them to someone else making even more.

    By the way, Comcast here doesn't have a contract. You can sign up for a month if you'd like....
     
  4. Carl Spock

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    I'm sure if we were to consider DirecTV's entire business plan, leased gear makes DirecTV money.

    If not, then the CEO, CFO and the entire Board of Directors should be sacked.

    I also suspect there is much truth in Titan25's first post upthread. The leased model gives DirecTV much more control over the hardware used in their system and they like that control.

    Businesses are funny things. Each one has its quirks. I think DirecTV's is control.
     
  5. jimmie57

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    Those are good points.
    But when is a cheaper price not a good deal ?
    A cheaper price is not a good deal when you don't get what you want with the lower price.
    I told my son the other day that we could get a super deal on the other sat company. He said "I don't care, they do not have what i watch all the time. Put it on my credit card if you are wanting to switch, I do not want it ".
    I again told him how much we could save in the first year. He just looked at me and then rode off on his electric wheel chair.

    How many more posts do you need now ?
     
  6. Mike Greer

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    I agree - what erks me is when it is suggested that somehow the lease model saves the subs money and that DirecTV takes a loss on it. That just can't be the case!:D
     
  7. veryoldschool

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    What "irked me" was the upfront lease fee, so I negotiated that away and took the programing commitment.
     
  8. Beerstalker

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    Actually it wouldn't suprise me at all if it is the case. While yes sometimes they get the charge $200 multiple times for the same HD-DVR, remember many other times they will give that HD-DVR away for free. How many threads do we constantly have going on here about how to get the best deal on the HR34, how to get SWM or Whole Home upgrades for free or at a discount etc. DirecTV does give away a lot of hardware for free or at a large discount so it wouldn't suprise me at all to hear they are losing money on it.

    However, they more than make up for those losses with their gains on subscription plans. The Protection Plan makes them money, the channel packages make them money, the sports subscriptions like Sunday Ticket make them money, etc. This income more than makes up for the loss they take on the hardware side.

    They wouldn't be the only ones working like this. It is very common in other industries like cell phones and gaming systems. Those companies take big losses on the hardware planning that they will more than cover those losses with subscriptions or game sales. Verizon can afford to give you a $700 phone for $200 because they know they are going to lock you into a subscription plan that is going to gain them a profit way more than the $500 they just lost on your phone sale. Same thing with Sony, they sold the PS3 for $600 at a time when Blu-Ray players alone cost $1000 or more. They could do that because they knew game sales, controller sales, etc. would more than make up the loss they took on the initial game console sale.
     
  9. Mike Greer

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    :lol:
     
  10. Laxguy

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    Fer 'eavens sake, mate, where is "here"??

    It's so easy to put one's location in one's info.
     
  11. Mike Greer

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    The cell model is different. They don't sell (lease) the same phone over and over. Their actual cost is also exaggerated. Verizion will sell you an iPhone 4s for $649 without a contract - they are still making money at $649.

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree....

    For me - I'd rather just buy the hardware - just a personal choice. If I could have paid $900 for 3 HR24s and own them without a contract I would have. I had no choice but to pay $600 for them and will be sending them back. If I could have paid the $900 and kept them I would be money ahead if I decide to go back to DirecTV next year.

    Some people like DirecTV's lease model and good for them. I don't like it and I know they aren't doing it for MY benefit and they aren't saving me any $$$ by doing it!:D
     
  12. Mike Greer

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    Hmm... Sorry about that I thought my location was there. I'll fix that!

    "Here" is Salt Lake City, Utah - home of the Mitt fan club!
     
  13. Laxguy

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    Heh....
    Thanks. It's so simple, and can save time and head scratching. There are a few who'll never do it, not even a state, but many have just overlooked it.
     
  14. Rich

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    Count me in on that, I've got 8 owned HRs and hope to have the four leased HRs I have turned into owned HRs by the end of the year. You're also wrong about how difficult it is to find owned HRs. I bought all mine from eBay or CL. I could buy several today on eBay if I wanted to pay ~ $300 apiece for them. I usually find them for a lot less, you just have to know how to look for them. The last HR24-500 I bought is owned and I paid $70 for it.

    Rich
     
  15. Rich

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    I'm surprised to see that Cablevision in NY has a commitment, not here in NJ. Not only does CV not have a commitment, they are offering $500 to buy out your commitment to Dish or D*. Not that I'd ever go back to cable.

    Rich
     
  16. Jon J

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    I can't believe my recent experience was unique. I bought an HR23 from an ex-DirecTV employee who listed it here. Before doing the deal I confirmed it was owned by the ex employee with the Access Card Team. After purchase I had no trouble activating it in addition to my other receivers and the ACT even comped me a new card. The activation did not extend my committment...or add one since I've not had one for quite some time.
     
  17. Rich

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    Activating an owned HR does not extend or start a new comittment. I just added a couple and I still have no comittment.

    Rich
     
  18. Jon J

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    Just the point I was trying to make. ;)
     
  19. wahooq

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    Actually "owned" receivers are replaced for shipping and handling
    (19.95) just like leased receivers, the only difference is that without the protection plan
    they willo be replaced with leased receivers
     
  20. Rich

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    Right, but you don't have to pay shipping and handling with the PP either.

    Rich
     

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