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should FCC regulate hd quality?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by ilfn143, Sep 5, 2007.

Should FCC regulates HD quality?

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  2. NO

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  3. Don't care

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  1. donshan

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    No broadcast station or cable channel is ever required to have HDTV by the FCC.

    The 1996 Congressional Communication act required all broadcast stations to convert from analog NTSC to digital TV using one of the 18 ATSC standard formats all digital tuners must be able to receive. but nowhere in the law does it mandate that the HDTV formats be used, much less such things as compression.

    The DTV standard includes 18 different formats but only a few are being used. However the FCC does not regulate which format a station uses.

    Thus some digital stations in your area may NEVER have HDTV and are not required by law to do so as long as they are digital and get off their analog NTSC channel. In fact FCC has encouraged the use of sub channels instead of full bandwidth HDTV in many discussions since it provides more programming options.

    See:
    http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html
     
  2. Herdfan

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    Teays...
    Yes, its called 720p. ;)
     
  3. jimmyv2000

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    I yelled about the golf on NBC sunday on how pitiful it was and my 2 neighbors heard me LOUD AND CLEAR:D
     
  4. Herdfan

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    Spot on as usual. But the argument is not specifically about PQ as that is very subjective. But I am sure that the government could spend millions of dollars to come up with a minumum standard of all of those variables as to what can be called HD.

    "HD" is more of a marketing term and as such, the FTC would probably have more jurisdiction over its use. Don't regulate what can be broadcast, just what you call it.
     
  5. JACKIEGAGA

    JACKIEGAGA N.Y. FOOTBALL GIANTS

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    Voted no the government should be left out I do not need them messing up my TV the consumer should decide it.
     
  6. donshan

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    I believe there is a regulation somewhere that receivers have to be 1080i or 720p capable to be labeled a HDTV receiver when they sell it. However they don't regulate the compression on those resolutions. There are 480i/480p digital TVs sold that are legal but they can not be labeled HDTV. "Enhanced TV" is the marketing term.
     
  7. Kansas Zephyr

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    Instead of regulating PQ, just require sat/cable providers to make easily available the information on resolution/compression type used.
     
  8. soccercoach61

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    I don't think the goverment should regulate it either, but I voted yes because I agree there needs to be a minimum standard set. How exactly will the market correct it? What ratings sytem will determine it? With the exception of local OTA, there are only three main sources of live or variety programmed HD content - cable, D* and E*... unless you build your HD or Blu-Ray DVD collection, and choose to leave television behind. :confused:
     
  9. Kansas Zephyr

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    Yep, the FCC definitions for broadcast are:

    480i = SDTV "Standard-Def"
    480p = EDTV "Enhanced-Def"
    720p/1080i = HDTV "High-Def"

    http://www.dtv.gov/dtvtipsheet.pdf
     
  10. soccercoach61

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    But isn't that just for the receiving device? Not a requirement of the broadcaster...
     
  11. gizzorge

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    I voted yes, simply because it is only a matter of time when they do regulate that aspect of it all.
     
  12. Kansas Zephyr

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    OTA broadcasters are using those definitions, too.
     
  13. jasonblair

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    Here's what will happen if the government sets a minimum.... Eventually a new method of compression will come out that is FAR superior to anything we have now. But it won't neatly fit into one of the categories that the government has mandated... So they won't be able to bring it to market until the government regulations are amended... which will take YEARS longer than it would have otherwise.
     
  14. Mike Bertelson

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    It's the FCC's job to regulate the broadcaster/service providers industry.

    I don't want the FCC setting standard like HDTV and regulating commerce.
    They will just screw it up. :bad_nono:

    I don't trust the gov't to decide electronics standards.

    Mike
     
  15. jcurrier31

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    No Way!!! If you said yes, you should move to Venezuela that way they can tell you what you can name your kids also.
     
  16. donshan

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    Yes, but it is a baby step towards truth. Before this many people were told by sales people that digital TV was HDTV or at least let them believe that.

    Broadcasters can choose any of the digital formats they want to use and mix them when they have one HD channel and one or more SD sub-channels. Some stations are using as many as six sub-channels.
     
  17. jacksonm30354

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    That's one reason for the FCC (gov't) to come in and require HDTV. It's not fair to the citizens of the smaller market that they have to have inferior television service. Some small market stations that may not have ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW, MYNT are carring the lacking network on a subchannel. However that means those folks will not get the HD content on the subchannels. It would be more fair to the consumers in that market to pull in via cable a neighboring market's signal.

    If the local station can't make money with just 1 network affliation, turn it into a satellite/translator of a neighboring market.
     
  18. Jeremy W

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    If 1280x720 is HD, then 1280x1080 has to be HD as well. It's even an ATSC-defined HD format, what more do you want?
     
  19. Doug Brott

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    No reason, IMHO, for the government to get involved past the OTA mandate that has already been laid out. The market will sort itself out just fine.
     
  20. Kansas Zephyr

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    As far as OTA goes, since you can't update the firmware in the existing installed base of DTVs, the only changes in OTA digital broadcast that will ever be approved by the FCC must be backward compatible with the current ATSC standards. Much like the winning (and still used) NTSC color TV standard was compatible with black and white.
     
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