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Should there be a "fat tax"?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, May 18, 2012.

Should there be a "fat tax"?

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  1. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

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    Nothing is "healthy". It's healthful. Only people are healthy. ;)

    Lucky gal!

    Perhaps you can try to tighten weight, then. ;)
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Gaining weight and losing weight aren't exactly polar opposites... and again, you are right in that counting calories isn't the only answer.

    IF you are overweight and trying to lose, then you can reduce your calories and maybe not even need to increase exercise at first to start losing. Basically, if you don't eat enough calories to run the day-to-day stuff your body needs, you can lose weight even without stepping up the exercise. This usually only works if you are really overweight and not just needing to lose a few lbs.

    On the flip side, gaining weight is a little trickier. If you don't eat enough fat, then your body doesn't have fat to store... and if you don't eat enough protein and also exercise, then your body doesn't have anything to build new muscle tissue from... so it is possible to eat a high-calorie diet if it lacks proteins and fats, and then you might not gain much weight.

    So, for someone trying to gain weight... you don't want to just gain "water weight" by retaining water... someone at 95 lbs probably needs some extra fat stores as well as building some muscle... and that's where things get tricky. The exercise you need to do to build muscle will burn calories too... so it will probably be tough to gain both muscle mass and fat weight at the same time.
     
  3. TBlazer07

    TBlazer07 Grumpy Grampy

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    When a quoted word ends a sentence the period goes BEFORE the last quote.

    Not correct is: Nothing is "healthy".
    Correct is: Nothing is "healthy."


    :icon_kiss
     
  4. TBlazer07

    TBlazer07 Grumpy Grampy

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    You don't have to exercise to lose weight. ABSOLUTELY Not saying you should NOT exercise but you absolutely do not have to exercise. You need to determine your BMR and reduce calories from there.

    For example, my BMR is 1900 calories/day. 1900x7(days per week)=13300 calories per week. If I reduce my weekly caloric intake by 3500 calories a week I will lose 1lb a week just sitting on my ass 24/7 (or increase it by 3500 will gain 1lb). Many people are unable to exercise for many reasons.
     
  5. sigma1914

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    +1 to this and your other calorie post...you're right on the money.
     
  6. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Some things, some people are "healthy."!

    One reason I hate that rule is illustrated above, and if anyone breaks it, I seldom notice.
     
  7. Lord Vader

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    That's if it's an actual quote. When a word is in quotes because it is a word being pointed out and not a word in a quotation, then punctuation comes outside of the quotes. :p
     
  8. Rich

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    Don't know whether the Canadian armed forces still do it, but they used to measure everyone's Specific Gravity by immersing them in a big, deep pool and seeing how much water they displaced. That seems to be the most accurate way of doing it. From what I've read.

    Rich
     
  9. Stewart Vernon

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    To clarify... "exercise" doesn't just mean activity designated as sport or only done to facilitate weight loss.

    Getting off the couch to go to the bathroom or even to the kitchen for a snack IS exercise.

    Even laying on your back, as long as you are breathing your diaphragm is exercising.

    So when I say "increase exercise to lose more weight" I mean increase activity... not just structured exercises.

    Making more frequent trips to the kitchen is a good example. If you are fixing a snack and a drink... make multiple trips to and from the living room to complete that snack rather than trying to carry everything in one trip.
     
  10. Herdfan

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    But even that can't determine if the water being displaced is from a beer belly or huge pecs.
     
  11. phrelin

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    The water displacement method is based on the Greek philosopher Archimedes' principle of displacement. When you immerse yourself in water, fat distinguishes itself from muscle and bone because of its lower density level. Basically, fat is less dense than water, so it will cause you to weigh less underwater than an equal volume of muscle and bone would weigh.

    Getting an accurate reading from a water displacement test requires special equipment and trained professionals to read the results. You can't perform the test at home and few places offer the test.
     
  12. TBlazer07

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    I'll get up and drink to that. :)
     
  13. Sharkie_Fan

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    We had an employee here for a while who eventually went onto another job, but would occasionally come in and do some maintenance on one of our machines that he was trained on and I was not.

    We called him in one Saturday morning, and he walked in with a small barrel (it's the only way I can describe it). I honestly thought it was oil or some other lubricant or something for the machine. In actuality, it was a 100 oz. (I think) cup from AM/PM Mini mart that he had filled full of some soda.

    It was the largest drink I've ever seen. He had to cradle it in his arms like a small child just to drink it! It was at one time one of the funniest and most frightening things I've ever seen!

    This same employee would go to Subway for lunch (healthy, right?). Sure, except that he would by 3 footlongs - 2 to eat now and 1 to eat a little later!
     
  14. Herdfan

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    Seriously, there was a time when I would have drank straight from a 2-litre if they would have made cup holders big enough for them.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    The only time I ever did that... I was a kid... and the reason was... I was riding my bike up the road to a local store... and you could get a 2-liter for about the same price as a 16-oz drink!... so I would buy the 2-liter and carry it around with me while I was riding my bike and playing outside.

    On another occasion, I bought a 2-liter when I walked 12+ miles to a local mall... so I knew I would need some hydration along the way.
     
  16. Herdfan

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    Now it's a 20 or 24oz for the same price. I still think 2-litre prices would go up if they would fit in car cup holders.

    On a side note, I wonder if the 2-litre is on its way out. First it started with ice cream. What used to be 1/2 gallons became 1.75 and then 1.5q containers. Seeing Walmart promote the new 1.5 litre for 99 cents a whole lot. Probably only a matter of time.
     
  17. Rich

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    They seem to have some way of doing it that takes that into consideration. Been a long time since I tried the Canadian Army exercises and read about the way they checked weight.

    I just read something somewhere about a "beer belly" not being caused by beer. I've still got one and I haven't had a beer in going on 13 years.

    Rich
     
  18. Rich

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    Probably have to join the Canadian armed forces to get it done correctly.

    Rich
     
  19. Rich

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    Here's how exercise works: Run a mile for a month and you're in good shape. run that same mile for six months and you get nothing out of it after a while. That's another problem with exercising, you must increase whatever you're doing to get maximum benefit from it. And, as you increase your exercise, you get hungrier and hungrier afterward.

    To get any benefit from exercise, you really have to do things you're not accustomed to. I gave up swimming because I was doing 2 miles a day in a pool (most boring exercise there is, if you think about anything besides counting laps, you lose count) and just couldn't face the prospect of working my way up to 3 miles, never mind the time it takes. Same thing happened with working out in a gym and using Nautilus machines. After a few months of adding weights to the machines a person tends to start bulking up. Did that one year and almost broke my arm throwing across my body playing shortstop. Couldn't get my arm around my chest enough to make a throw. Stopped with the machines and weights after that.

    Rich
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    I know what you mean...

    Several years ago I went on a diet and lost a lot of weight.. and by the end of things, I was running 5+ miles nearly every day. Talk about boring! I had a CD that was about 60 minutes and I was running to about 1.5 plays of that CD... I was going for endurance/distance and not speed.... and it got VERY boring.

    People would talk to me about my "active lifestyle" and I would answer that I didn't have an active lifestyle... I was running just for the ability to run... and honestly, while I was surely healthier I wasn't happier... and a LOT of time was devoted to the activity of losing and maintaining weight so I didn't have time left for other things I enjoyed like my favorite TV programs.

    I also wasn't any more popular with the opposite sex (a theory I mostly proved, which kind of jumpstarted the whole diet in the first place)... so I couldn't justify all the time and literal energy being poured into running into circles.
     

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