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Sick of R15 - Going Back to TiVo

Discussion in 'DIRECTV SD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by desslock, Jun 26, 2007.

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  1. Jhon69

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    Well I guess by your posts we know where you stand and I would think by DirecTVs and NDS's actions I would believe you would know where they stand.I have never witnessed before two companies such as these having their software
    departments running in high gear to come out with fixes for the HR20 and the R15.
    So I would think it is apparent what they plan to do.:rolleyes:
     
  2. jal

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    Well, that was with News Corp owning Directv. With Liberty in the fold, maybe things will change.
     
  3. Jhon69

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    That's what Tivo's CEO is hopeful for too!.;)
     
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    That argument never has and never will hold weight with me because of the condition the R15 was released in in the first place.

    I believe you've only had one a few months, you should have owned one 18 months ago and you wouldn't be singing their praises right now. The R15 is head and shoulders above what it was back then, but that is no excuse for the way it was released.

    I also would dispute the "high gear" on which those working on the R15 are working. The HR20 has been out a much shorter time but has features we are still waiting for on the R15. If anyone is in "high gear" it is the HR20 team.

    Earl tells us there are as many resources on the R15, either we are in for a huge update soon with lots of new features or the R15 is much more complicated than the HR20 or they simply are not as competent.
     
  5. desslock

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    Speaking of the Missed shows and SL malfunctions, I thought I would share the results of some investigation I have done since I brought my TiVo back on line.

    There has been some discussion of whether the R15's missed recordings, inability to determine a First Run vs. a Repeat and the Series Link malfunctions may be a result of bad guide data coming from DirecTV. I have set my R15 and my TiVo with exactly the same Series Links/Season Passes. Other than the box itself, the user load is the same.

    This will probably come as no surprise, but the TiVo correctly identifies the First runs, targets them for recording, and hasn't missed one yet. The R15 is about 60% correct in targetting episodes for recording. The displays sontinue to state "2 Total/0 First Run" even when it has targetted a first run for recording.

    There are still several Series Links that refuse to acknowledge the existance of any episodes in the guide at all, let alone First vs. Repeats.

    I meant to add that with the two boxes receiving the same guide data, I do not believe the data feed is the root cause of the missed/lost/unidentified recordings.

    Another oddity I found... I had 2 shows set to record at 9:00 PM last night (on both boxes). The TiVo tripped both tuners, one on each show and went on it's merry way. The R15 reported in the To Do list that one 9:00 show would not be recorded because it was in conflict with the other 9:00 show that had a higher priority. There were only 2 shows set to record. Why would the R15 skip one entirely in favor of the other? It's supposed to be a dual tuner device.

    Anyone else seen this?
     
  6. ShiningBengal

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    I hope my characterization of some of Earl's posts as "apologies" doesn't descend into the realm of personal attack. Sometimes, apologies are justified and welcome, after all. What I meant by my remark is that a shortcoming in a product is a shortcoming, regardless of what merit it may otherwise have. That's all.

    If, for instance, If I were to say that the HR20 is "buggy" examples of an apologetic response would be, "Yes, but it used to be much buggier" or, "Yes, but it has some wonderful features" rather than "Yes, DirecTV has its work cut out for it," which is obviously not an apology.

    There is no question of the value of Earl's contribution to this forum. I would go so far as to say it is "invaluable"--a compliment, wouldn't you agree? I agreed with him much more than I disagreed in his former role as contributor/moderator of TCF. I respect him, his depth of knowlege, and his continuing work on this forum. I have no problem with Earl, and hope he has no problem with me.

    My problems are with the HR20 and what it is rather than what it may be some day. I believe that the HR20 was rushed to market because of bad planning by DirecTV.

    DirecTV understands that HiDef is the future of DirecTV and that to effectively deploy HiDef they had to move away from MPEG2 to a more efficient compression algorithm. They had their MPEG4 birds on schedule, but their consumer hardware lagged behind, probably because they didn't devote the necessary resources to its development.

    They were boxed in, because TiVo couldn't receive and record MPEG4 and what good is an MPEG4 broadcast facility in the sky without capable receivers on the ground. What consumers got as a result was a very buggy product which looked bad in comparison with the existing comparatively reliable MPEG2 TiVo platform.

    I have had 2 HR20-100's in my home, and aside from functionality issues, which in and of themselves are frustrating, they have stability problems--both of them--out of the box. The remotes which are supposed to be able to send RF communication to the receivers can not. The one I have been able to get to work at all responds so slowly to commands that it is unuseable. The other one doesn't work at all.

    Both of these machines have locked up for no apparant reason on several occasions.

    The IR signals the remotes send require that they be aimed directly at the IR receiver on the unit it controls, even in dim light. The replacement IR remote I purchased for my HT HR20, a Harmony 880, can be aimed at a gray painted ceiling and still have enough bounce left to effectively control all of my components.

    None of the Denon codes provided by DirecTV for their remote work at all with my AVR2807. This receiver is 1-1/2 years old, and is a fairly common AVR for HT installs. The TiVo remote I used with my HR10 controlled it just fine.

    There are also issues that others have reported, so no need to go into them here.

    The HR20 is not junk. It was released prematurely. It works, but it is not reliable, and the lack of DLB represents a serious loss of functionality for folks who have been used to it for years, and consider it part of the DVR experience.

    TiVo was never perfect, but at least in my experience, it has been far more reliable and stable than the R15 and the HR20. (I sent back my 3rd defective R15 in 2 months and self-refurbed my 6-year old Philips DSR6000)

    These issues are real, and there is nothing to be gained by pretending they are not. DirecTV needs to be reminded of this, and often and loudly, or we will be stuck with 2nd rate hardware for a first-rate satellite service for a long time to come.

    Comcast will have TiVo software in a soon-to-be released DVR. If it weren't for their bad reputation for service and high fees, I would have waited to see how well it works before signing on to 2 more years with DirecTV.

    It will be interesting to see how the HR20 compares with Comcasts offering.
     
  7. jal

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    Wow... On the Circuit City Website, they are selling brand-new (old stock) in the box, Samsung Directivos for $88. So, for those of you sick and tired of the R15, this is a really great place to get a new TIVO! Happy shopping!
     
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    jhollan2

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    They're $77.96 now! I almost bought 2 for no reason other than I hate the R-15... but one will suffice for now.

    I cant wait to swap them!
     
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    Earl Bonovich

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    According to other posts on other forums...

    Even though the site says they are "available"... they are out of stock/backordered.

    And considering they stopped manufacturing that particular model over 2 years ago...

    Let us know if that is not correct, and you do in fact get one from Circuit City
     
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    jhollan2

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    I have a fedex tracking number so I'm guessing they will actually send it. I'll let you know when (if) it arrives.
     
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    My guess is that these boxes were in Rapid Satellite's stock when they shut down. Since Rapid Satellite was owned by Circuit City, Rapid's inventory is now being liquidated. So, when you get the box, let us know what the manufacturing date is. Thanks.
     
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    jhollan2

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    Any clue what other old treasures they might be liquidating?
     
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    jal

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    Just a wild guess on my part. In January 2007, however, I purcahsed an R10 Directivo at Circuit City, new in the box. A sticker with a barcode on it had the date of 11/06 for whatever that indicates. There were a stack of R10s right on the shelf.
     
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    jal

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    The Directivo is gone from the website. Did anyone who ordered it actually get one?
     
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    Tugboat

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    Does the recent Directv announcement of updated software for the SD Directivos change your mind? You still planning a wake for Tivo? Might want to reconsider, especially if the Tivo/cable connection takes off (using Tivo software on cable DVRs).

    As it stands, Tivo may have made some mistakes, but I'd hardly dig their grave yet. They may not be as healthy as they were in 2001, but it ain't over yet.

    As for picking on Earl, I'd say the poster was just stating his opinion based on observation, not picking on or attacking anyone. Earl himself says he favors Directv and its recent business decisions, so why is pointing that out picking on him? Earl makes no pretense about being less-than-neutral when it comes to Directv, so it seems fair game to point that out when he is the most well-known moderator on DBSTalk - and the only one, it seems, with a direct connection to Directv, official or not.

    In fact, the OP didn't make anything close to a personal attack. He even praised Earl profusely.

    In this case, there might just be a little overreaction/oversensitivity. From what I have read here, Earl does this because he loves doing it, so in that sense, it's not work, it's fun. Whatever his unselfish motives, he also has selfish ones...he likes having a good time (who doesn't), else he wouldn't bother with DBSTalk (or the forums before it). It's the same as when someone volunteers their time for a worthy cause. Sure, they help others, but deep down inside, it's just as good if not even better for them. It's just human nature. So enough back-slapping already. No one on DBSTalk would be here, be part of the CE process, etc., if it wasn't a good time and way better than their day jobs. I'd bet that if the HR20 and R15 mysteriously started behaving as advertised today, many of the people who haunt this forum would be depressed by losing their "cause." Has anyone put any metrics on the DBSTalk membership/thread count since the release of the HR20/R15? No doubt a major spike in membership/postings. Why? Because of the problems those boxes have caused, not because they were perfect and even close.

    I know this is off-topic, but so is most of this thread.

    As for the topic, I have two R10s running right now (along with an HR20 and an H20), and two stashed in my closet (got them on ebay for $70 each a year ago). With the latest announcement from Directv, I am glad I do for SD recording. If I can help it, I will never allow an R-15 to cross the threshold at my house, at risk of divorce (my wife has seen the HR-20 in action, so she has no desire to ruin her 6-year DVR experience with Tivo, one that hasn't had a hiccup apart from replacing a dead HD).
     
  16. jhollan2

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    I recieved my directivo from circuit city yesterday. It has a manufacture date of 10/04. Its working well, despite the fact that it called in and downloaded for more than 2 hours! I'm very happy!
     
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