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Signal strength question

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by Mikey Palmice, Oct 25, 2007.

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  1. Mikey Palmice

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    I am running the signal strength tests in the menu on my new HR20. There are a lot of NA, but the one's that have numbers are all in the high 90's or even 100.

    Should I be concerned with the NA's? On the 103A, two of em were in the 70's, is that bad?

    Can somebody point me in the direction of a page that says what you should be looking for on each sat.

    also, on my 99b, transponder 3 is a 30 and transponder 5 is 0. but the other ones on 99b are 97 and higher

    thanks
     
  2. hilmar2k

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    Nope. Not all transponders are used on all sats. Some of the lower signal strengths you are seeing are probably spot beams that are not for your area. If you get all the channels that you are supposed to, I wouldn't worry.

    Edit: Hey, just noticed that we are neighbors. I would be happy to share my signal strength readings when I get home this evening.
     
  3. Mikey Palmice

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    cool, thanks. let me know what yours are later, and I will see if we are close
     
  4. techrep

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    TP's listed as NA can be ignored.
    103a TP's are spotbeams and I don't think any are used for your area.
    99b TP's are also spotbeams and some folks in your area get LIL's from this sat.

    The litmus test for alignment: If you get high 80's - 90's on 103b and mid 90's or greater on 119, your dish alignment is just about as good as you can get.
     
  5. Mikey Palmice

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    103b 53 91 51 88 95 88 95 91
    95 91 95 93 96 92 NA NA

    119 Other than the NA's, I get 99 100 97 99 100 100 100 100 100 89 100

    I wonder why I have a 53 and a 51 on the 103b transponder 1 and 3?

    wait, now I ran it again on the 103b and the 50's are 90's now, but one of the previous 95 is now 45. I guess it changes whenever I run it
     
  6. K4SMX

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    The FW for the 103(b) signal strength panel sometimes doesn't pick up the true reading as it populates. When in doubt, check the individual tp level with the Signal Meter.
     
  7. hilmar2k

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    Here is what I see:

    103(b) - transponders 1-14 are 95 89 93 88 93 89 92 91 92 88 91 92 94 90, 17 is 93, 22 is 95, rest are NA

    103(a) - 0 0 0 95 95 83 - rest are NA except 17 is 0

    110 - only 3 transponders not NA, they are 90 82 92

    119 - transponders 22-32 are 92 100 89 97 97 97 97 97 97 94 97, rest are NA

    99(b) - transponders 1-8 are 97 100 15 99 80 100, rest are NA

    Let me know if you are seeing any transponders that vary greatly from this. Since we are so close, we should have similar readings. Hope this helps.
     
  8. Canis Lupus

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    Those numbers look great. As to Mikey's question, just at first glance it looks like you're both seeing different numbers for spotbeams that you likely don't get. In fact, Mikey's concern about 30 on Tp 3 on 99b seems to be a non-issue as you've got 15. Looks like your geographic locations are picking up different levels of non-received spotbeams. I'd say you're both in pretty good shape, unless Mikey is having any channel issues like 771s, dropouts, etc.

    Techs? What do you think?
     
  9. hilmar2k

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    Yeah, I know. Since the OP and I live within a few miles of each other, I posted mine for him to compare his to.
     
  10. Canis Lupus

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    Yeah saw that, and that was very helpful to be able to compare. Looks like you're both in good shape.

    EDIT: your avatar indicates you gotta be all smiles today :)

     
  11. Mikey Palmice

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    Funny thing is, all this new HD for me to watch, and I'm watching MSG SD for my rangers.:(

    From what I have checked out so far on the other channels, they looks great. My name is earl looks really nice, and so does the boston game.

    One issue I have noticed though is, a few times when I switched back to MSG, I had a searching for sat problem (771). I have never had MSG go out before, actually I have hardly ever had any channels out before today. thoughts?
     
  12. Mikey Palmice

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    interesting, my tuner 2 is either not acquired or very low, while my tuner 1 is very good. And I was getting the dropouts on MSG while the other first tuner was recording. Looks like it's time to troubleshoot my connections:mad:

    this problem is only affecting the 101 sat. is that the SD channels, like MSG?

    I ran it again, and they are all in the 90's now, I don't get it
     
  13. techrep

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    TP3 on 99b is a good one to remember for the NY guys. You will see posts from the NY area asking about it because they see these good numbers on TP1 and TP2 and then there's TP3 setting at near 0 and it catches their attention so, they wonder what's up?

    hilmar2k's numbers are close to the top 10 percentile.
     
  14. hilmar2k

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    Yup, I am extremely happy with my signal strengths. My 101 numbers are even better. They are about half 100, and half 97/98. The tech that installed my AT-9 obviously knew what he was doing.
     
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    Similar results 40 +/- miles north
     

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  16. Mikey Palmice

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    101
    Tuner 1
    1-32 98 98 95 99 95 100 96 100
    96 98 96 99 97 100 97 100
    97 100 97 97 98 100 97 100
    97 100 97 70 98 100 95 100
    Tuner 2
    1-32 68 55 43 55 0 0 0 0
    0 0 0 77 0 65 42 73
    47 98 55 92 61 91 73 95
    78 95 81 53 91 98 87 100

    110
    Tuner 1
    8, 10, 12= 97 92 97
    Tuner 2
    8,10,12= 96 91 97

    119
    Tuner 1
    22,23,24-32= 99 100 97 100 100 100 100 100 100 91 100
    Tuner 2
    22,23,24-32= 99 100 97 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 90 100

    99b
    Tuner 1
    1-6= 100 96 31 97 98 97
    Tuner 2
    1-6= 100 98 31 97 0 98

    103a
    Tuner 1
    1-6,17= 0 71 0 95 94 72 0
    Tuner 2
    1-6,17= 97 76 0 97 94 75 0

    103b
    Tuner 1
    1-14,17,22= 96 90 93 86 95 90 92 91
    95 91 95 95 96 95
    98, 96
    Tuner 2
    1-14,17,22= 95 91 90 86 93 89 87 92
    92 91 94 95 95 95
    97 96
     
  17. Canis Lupus

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    That one's a bit bizarre. Lower strengths on Tuner 2 only on the 101. Mikey, maybe swap the cables on the back of your receiver and see if the problem follows to Tuner 1. That might isolate a cable. Do you have a multiswitch and if so what kind?
    Also - I'm assuming you don't have any diplexers or anything in those lines for OTA, or any older cable runs that might have something funky in them?

    EDIT: also the poorly manufactured BBCs have done weird things as well.
     
  18. Mikey Palmice

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    I am doing some recording, but I will try that out tommorrow. The name of my multiswitch starts with a Z, I will have to check that. I don't have any OTA. All my wiring is current, but I noticed one thing which I hope doesn't affect anything.

    When the installer moved the dish up higher on the house he used the same wiring that was there on the lower position, so he ran a section of coax to the old dish location and used a splice to connect the two ends. Is this bad?
     
  19. hilmar2k

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    Although not ideal, splicing itself shouldn't create an issue.
     
  20. Canis Lupus

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    K - you prolly have the correct switch if it's a Zinwell WB68 which sounds likely.
    Let's forget about swapping those lines for now, although you may want to revisit that.
    If done right, couplers should be fine, but one question for you.
    When the installer placed the new dish, he should have run 4 lines from the Dish to the switch. did he do that? If not, that needs to happen.
    If he did, it's possible it could be a coupler problem on the line running into Tuner 2, so swapping lines on the receiver and checking signals might indicate that as the problem.



     
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