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Signal Strength

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by johnc847, Dec 20, 2011.

  1. Jim5506

    Jim5506 Hall Of Fame

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    Buy a replacement dish, yours has been damaged and it may be quite difficult to fix it.
     
  2. javrua

    javrua New Member

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    Matthew,

    Thanks for the STBH chart. Can one imply from the STBH chart that signal from sat 72.7 can be received in Puerto Rico? I have a 6 foot dish I could point up there.

    Javier
     
  3. javrua

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    Matthew,

    Thanks for the STBH chart. Can one imply from the STBH chart that signal from sat 72.7 can be received in Puerto Rico? I have a 6 foot dish I could point up there.

    Javier
     
  4. MattG@DISH Network

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    Unfortunately only 119 and 110 are supported in Puerto Rico. I'm not sure why the other satllites are listed on the chart. I do know that some customers in PR have a 61.5 dish installed, but this is not something that we officially support.
     
  5. boba

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    That isn't a friction fit those are spot welds. If the welds are broken you definitely need a new dish.:)
     
  6. festivus

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    I've always had frequent rain fade so I decided to do some digging here and found this thread.

    According to the spreadsheet in this thread and my readings I have:

    Sat# - Mine (sunny day) - Approx Avg Columbus - Approx Min Columbus

    110 - 66 - 74 - 65
    119 - 63 - 80 - 71
    129 - 42 - 55 - 45

    Forgive me, I don't know a whole lot about the transponder numbers and which ones I'm supposed to be worried about. So I grabbed the avg number for that satellite. At any rate, it looks to me like my dish needs adjusted, doesn't it?

    I'm pretty handy but I'm scared to death of loosening any of these bolts and making it worse. My Dish says 1000 on it. My point dish screen advised these numbers when I go to some of the satellites. Also saw these numbers on the dish website for my zipcode:

    Azimuth - 228
    Elevation - 33
    Skew - 122

    So what's the best way for a common man to aim this thing properly? What tools do I need? Thanks in advance.
     
  7. James Long

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    A telephone and a major credit card or cash work nicely. But if you want to do it yourself a socket wrench and plenty of patience should work.

    Some people buy signal meters (I've received a couple for free with other purchases) off of eBay or elsewhere but I have not found them useful. (Professional signal meters are too pricy for me.) Without a meter at the dish you will need some way of seeing the signal levels on a DISH receiver. My dishes are installed at ground level and there is a convenient window nearby where I can put a tv and see the receiver's "point dish" screen. Others have used radios or cell phones to talk to someone inside that will read the numbers.

    The key is small adjustments. The bigger the adjustment the more chance you'll mess things up (and end up using the tools mentioned at the beginning of this reply). Loosen the bolts enough that you can turn the dish side to side and up and down but not so loose that it moves uncontrollably. Make a small adjustment ... check your numbers and decide if you're going the right way. If your numbers are going up make another small adjustment and check the numbers again. Eventually the numbers will begin to drop. Make a small adjustment back to raise the numbers again.

    Watch the numbers when tightening the bolts. I've made adjustments that were lost when I tightened the bolts. Self adjustment can be frustrating ... but it can be rewarding when you do improve your signal yourself.

    Two other things to note. Don't adjust the skew. Once set that should be left alone. And look at the mount and the sky. If your dish has lost signal from the original install it may be because of a bad mount (lag bolts coming loose from the house or a pole that is beginning to lean) or because something has grown between your dish and the sky. Adjusting the dish will not solve these problems. Fix the root of the problem (the mount or the tree).
     
  8. festivus

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    Thanks, James. If we get a nice weekend day I might give it a shot. Or wait til spring. I'd like to try it before the rainstorms begin.
     
  9. festivus

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    Sorry, one more question. To which satellite (110, 119, or 129) should I be tuned when peaking the signal? Thanks.
     
  10. James Long

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    I usually start with the weakest one, but CHECK ALL THREE to make sure you don't make the others considerably worse.
     
  11. Grandude

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    If I feel the need to peak the signal(s) I first just physically twist the dish from side to side and then up and down without loosening any bolts. This will immediately tell you if some improvement can be made and which direction to go before loosening anything.

    My dish is located on the eaves close to the outside garage door and I have a Dish receiver in the garage attached to a TV and simple audio system. I crank up the volume on the AV receiver so I can hear the tone when manually twisting the dish. Takes a few seconds and, voila, I know what I have to do.
     
  12. festivus

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    Wow. This is incredibly aggravating and confusing. My signal strength depends to which channel I was tuned on that particular satellite. Different transponder I guess.

    My setup is solid. No way I can move the dish much at all without loosening a nut/bolt.

    Yesterday, clear day, I was getting:

    110 - 52 - ESPN HD
    119 - 70 - regional SD sports network
    129 - 39 - local channel "spotbeam"

    No matter what I did to the damn dish, I could not get the 129 reading over 41. I even tried the skew depite the advice not to do so. It didn't help either. So I put it back to where it was. My line of sight looks open.

    So now I have:

    110 - 45 (lost 7) - ESPN HD
    119 - 73 (gained 3) - regional SD sports
    129 - 41 (gained 2) - local channel "spotbeam"

    Spent 2 hours up and down the ladder. So is there a chance that I just can't get any better? At 39 the locals would go out in a moderate rainstorm. Not sure how much it's going to help to have 41. If I can't improve this it makes me want to leave Dish.
     
  13. festivus

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    I had been having trouble with one of my 622's. Powering down on its own, having to unplug and plug to get it to come back on. So I called Dish about that so they're sending a replacement 622 to me.

    While on the call I mentioned my bad signal and the fact that I noticed a -9 LNB drift on the system screen. They sent someone out immediately. The guy is here now. Apparently, with my dish (a 1000 I think) I wouldn't be able to get a much better signal, if at all. So he's installing an upgraded dish. A 1000.2 I think. It looks a lot bigger. He said that it will improve my reception quite a bit. Everything is covered I guess. Makes me pretty happy.
     
  14. eeegeek

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    I have always had "complete signal loss" on my 922 ch 122 (SIFY). It never bothered me. Now several channels show complete signal loss (TBS, HIST, HGTV and FOOD all HD). I checked the signal strengths - here is what I see
    77 has a strength of 21-25 depending on transponder
    72 has around 22
    61.5 is OK with a value of 56
    118 has a value around 52.

    I live in northeast area.
    Do the low signal strengths on 72 and 77 contribute to signal loss on HD channels? I don't have a service plan and to have someone come out willcost me money. Should I sign up for service plan and then call them? I knew the initial installer didn't do a good job of pointing the dish (it has been more than a year) with the way he was fumbling with things.
    thanks
     
  15. tymekeeper

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    I would call and ask for the service plan. It is $6 a month and you can cancel after 150 days. A service call without is $90 I believe, so well worth it. I asked very nice since I already needed my dish realigned after a new roof was put on and they gave me one service call for free.
     

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