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Sinclair may pull locals from Dish on 8/16

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RAD, Aug 13, 2012.

  1. Dave

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    That brings us back to about 2-3 three years ago when Dish quit letting new customers turn down there locals. You had to take them no matter what. Then they woiuld trick customers into having them. Make a change in programming. Guess what you now have locals. Please take locals back off. I sorry no can do, computer won't let me. Humans are suppose to control the computer not the other way around. When the pulled the bait and switch on me I did cancel Dish. To much lying coming out of there (DISH'S) nouth.
    So who is more greedy (Dish or Sinclair)?
     
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  3. SayWhat?

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    As you might recall, in 2006 Dish lost its lawsuit over distant stations and was ordered to shut down all distant services. In a last-ditch effort to settle the matter, after Dish had already lost on appeal, Dish tried to settle with ABC, NBC, and CBS. Fox wasn't part of the "settlement," which was rejected by the courts anyway. But part of the settlement was that Dish would basically force all customers to take locals. Locals would be added to all customers who didn't already take them, and would not be removed unless the customer specifically requested removal. Although the "settlement" never went into effect, that was the beginning of Dish basically requiring all customers to purchase locals.
     
  5. TBoneit

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    And now the Tribune stations are off CableVision according to the crawl on the bottom of News 12 due to a dispute.

    They just keep coming everywhere anymore.

    Either Congress will step in, sooner or later or people will get disgusted and go OTA & streaming only.
     
  6. Stewart Vernon

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    In these cases where we are talking about disputes with local channels... going to OTA wouldn't punish anyone but the customer.

    If your local demands more money, Dish says no... and you go to OTA to "teach them a lesson"... to whom have you taught the lesson? You will have punished Dish for trying to keep prices down, and rewarded the channel that threatened and took itself off the air. That seems backwards to me.
     
  7. TBoneit

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    I never mentioned teaching anyone a lesson. I also did not say I would leave. What I was trying to say is that I believe many pay TV subscribers will eventually get disgusted and call down a Biblical style plague on the channels and the providers and leave.

    This is true and not true as I see it. If you go OTA the channel gets no more fee from the provider, Satellite or cable. So both will lose in that scenario. The provider more so of course.
     
  8. Paul Secic

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  9. Stewart Vernon

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    I wasn't speaking to you specifically, but to the concept.

    I can see where leaving the provider might make sense... but if you still patronize the OTA channel that started the mess in the first place, then you aren't punishing the right entity. That was the point I was making.

    When McDonald's gives you consistently poor service... you stop going there and go to Burger King... you don't just stop using the McDonald's drive-thru but keep eating in the restaurant! That wouldn't make sense. It only makes sense if you take your business elsewhere.
     
  10. SayWhat?

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    Watching (or not watching) a station OTA is not punishing or rewarding anyone since no one really knows who is watching and who isn't. When you subscribe to locals via a carrier, they pay the local accordingly. You don't subscribe, they don't get paid, but you can still watch OTA.

    Customer gets programming.

    Provider gets squat.

    Carrier saves (since we suspect the carrier actually loses money in the long run by carrying locals).

    I'd rather pay to put up a better antenna than pay any carrier for any locals.
     
  11. James Long

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    DISH has paid for a fiberoptic network linking every television market to their network of uplink centers. DISH has 10 uplink centers around the country that exist only to uplink local channels. (Two additional centers uplink the national feeds.) DISH has designed and purchased more expensive spot beam satellites to receive those uplinks and downlink the channels to the appropriate markets.

    There are costs involved in getting a local TV channel on the satellite service. As long as there are costs for the carrier there will be a charge to the customer. If you are paying ANY satellite or cable system for service, you are paying for locals.
     
  12. Jim5506

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    We need to lobby for congress to require free carriage of locals in DMA or neighboring DMA if there is a missing netwoek affiliate AND bar carriers (satellite and cable) from charging subscribers for locals.
     
  13. jsk

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    Go ahead and drop 'em. My OTA antenna can pick them up just fine.

    Sinclair owns too many TV stations. I wish they never relaxed the ownership laws. It's ridiculous that they own (or "operate") three stations in some markets.

    Also, this company forces its stations to air "Documentaries" promoting their political views, even if the local station managers protest. I'm sure they will be airing another "documentary" smearing Obama as the elections draw closer.
     
  14. jsk

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    Actually, the provider still gets advertising revenue, they just don't get their bonus retrans fee from you.
     
  15. sregener

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    Interesting, is it not, that Dish's stock price dropped on the news of the deal?
     
  16. James Long

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    DISH's stock closed Friday at the highest point for the month. The highest point since early May.

    Stocks fluctuate. Anything "lost" has been more than made up.
     
  17. BillJ

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    If your purpose is to teach the local a lesson about being greedy do it through their advertisers. Let the largest advertisers know you are not happy with what the local is doing and will no longer purchase from companies who advertise on the channel. You as an individual won't make a difference, but if enough others do the same the station will get the message in their wallet. As posted early in this thread, I saw this happen during a local vs cable company dispute. It works.
     
  18. fudpucker

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    Be interesting to know who caved the most in the agreement.
     
  19. Stewart Vernon

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    Technically speaking, nobody has officially caved yet... since they said it was a 2 week extension for an "agreement in principle"... IF they truly agreed, it would be a done deal and not a 2 week extension... so I'm kind of half-expecting in another week to see another round of "Dish is going to drop us" warnings form Sinclair.
     
  20. hasbeen29650

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    I would not be surprised either since football will be starting then and a lot more people will be upset to lose their locals. Might have been a real smart delay by Sinclair.
     

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