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SixtoReport: D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Live!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jul 27, 2008.

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  1. Oct 28, 2009 #501 of 10270
    Sixto

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    The data came from Anik's posts at the other site ... so I certainly trust any new news and change.

    W7 now shows 11/30, with D12 as "beginning of year". As of today's update by Anik:
     
  2. Oct 28, 2009 #502 of 10270
    Curtis0620

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    January 15 – TBD – Proton-M/Briz-M – Baikonur
     
  3. Oct 28, 2009 #503 of 10270
    Sixto

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    Yep, right now I'd wait for the earnings call to see what we hear. But the authority has always been Anik, along with FCC Filings and DirecTV Executive presentations/analyst calls.

    As we've always said, things change ... and we'll continue to track all sources almost daily.
     
  4. Oct 28, 2009 #504 of 10270
    bakers12

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    Date – Satellite(s) – Rocket/Upper stage – Cosmodrome – Time
    January 15 – TBD – Proton-M/Briz-M – Baikonur
    beginning of February – Intelsat 16 – Proton-M/Briz-M – Baikonur
    February 3 – Progress M-04M (No. 404) – Soyuz-U – Baikonur
    February 11-20 – three Kosmos (Glonass-M) satellites – Proton-M/DM-2 – Baikonur
    February 28 – CryoSat-2 – Dnepr – Baikonur
    February – Prisma (Mango), Prisma (Tango), Picard – Dnepr – Dombarovskiy
    beginning of year – DirecTV 12 – Proton-M/Briz-M – Baikonur
    beginning of March – EchoStar 14 – Proton-M/Briz-M – Baikonur

    Anik's post shows that the DirecTV entry highlighted above was edited today. Since it's right between February and March, that gives us something.
     
  5. Oct 28, 2009 #505 of 10270
    Sixto

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    Yes, prior to today it was sitting in 2009 with a comment that it might be 2010. Today's update is the latest.

    It has been updated several times over the past few months.
     
  6. Oct 29, 2009 #506 of 10270
    jrodfoo

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    Thanks for the updated information. they still can get this up and runnning and functional by end of the 1st QTR in 2010 if they launch the beginning of the year, right? I guess it would depend on if things go smoothly, ect, ect..
     
  7. Oct 29, 2009 #507 of 10270
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    gees sea launch is looking better and better all the time...
     
  8. Oct 29, 2009 #508 of 10270
    harsh

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    If the D12 launch isn't the January launch, a Q1 2010 turn-up doesn't seem all that likely to me. The secondary payloads seem to extend the time required to test and hence the overall interval between launch and turn-up. D11 had an somewhat less complex BSS payload at it was more than four months between equatorial launch (3/19/08) and its handoff (7/21/08).

    D12 would seem to represent the last hope of covering all the DMAs with spotbeams for a while so spot testing will likely be very deliberate.


    Speaking of "for a while", has anyone heard anything solid about what comes next?
     
  9. Oct 29, 2009 #509 of 10270
    JLucPicard

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    I thought Sea Launch was bankrupt.

    This is getting as bad as the kids in the car, "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"

    Am I completely out of the loop in thinking when it goes up, it goes up. When it's lit, it's lit?
     
  10. Oct 29, 2009 #510 of 10270
    Tom Robertson

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    Sea Launch is bankrupt but still flying from land (at least.)

    Is getting as bad? :)

    You are wise in your thinking. :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
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    D11 also did it's BSS testing at 101 and not it's final 99 location which of corse require moving it into position twice. D12 won't have to deal with this repositioning twice as its bss testing will be at it's final location, 103.
     
  12. Oct 29, 2009 #512 of 10270
    QuickDrop

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    As I recall the repositioning for D11 didn't take that long either way, it was the actual testing that took up the bulk of time, though I have no idea whether the more "complex" D12 will take more time to test than D11 or if prior BSS testing could shorten that period.

    Sixto can speak to this better, but it should also be noted that assuming D12 launches safely D* might be able to put up more national HD on either D10 or D11 once football season is over since they can be sure there will the bandwidth there in time for next season. But then again, I don't know how much bandwidth the other sport packages take up.
     
  13. Oct 29, 2009 #513 of 10270
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    The other sports packs are mostly just rsn remaps.
     
  14. Oct 29, 2009 #514 of 10270
    bobnielsen

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    Since D12 will do BSS operation at the same orbital position as it will use for Ka operation, the BSS testing doesn't need to be done prior to becoming fully operational.
     
  15. Oct 30, 2009 #515 of 10270
    harsh

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    I'm not convinced that no testing is needed. By the time D12 gets to its place, I would think that it would still need to be tested for interaction with D11 at least.
     
  16. Oct 30, 2009 #516 of 10270
    Tom Robertson

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    Absolutely there will be testing and most likely off axis from any existing satellite. :)

    The spots will need to be tested, the nationals will need to be fired and checked, and the BSS package will most likely be tested as well. (Tho in theory that could wait until it is parked, it likely will be done in parallel with the other off axis testing.)

    The big question is how much fuel will they use to move the bird around. Sometimes they move it very slowly with very minimal fuel usage. Sometimes more quickly.

    So this timeline is hard to predict. Could be as quickly as 30 days after launch, could take a couple more months.

    The good news is that LameLefty and Sixto will keep us all updated as quickly as things happen. :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  17. Oct 30, 2009 #517 of 10270
    QuickDrop

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    Darn you with your reasonable, pragmatic assessment of the unknown! Where's the fun in that?
     
  18. Oct 30, 2009 #518 of 10270
    Tom Robertson

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    Every now and then I just gotta toss these in to keep from being too predictable. :)
     
  19. Oct 30, 2009 #519 of 10270
    houskamp

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    screw it, just light that friggen candle :D
     
  20. Oct 30, 2009 #520 of 10270
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    Is the delay in launching D12 because of ILS/Proton scheduling or is it because the satellite is still being worked on/tested on the ground especially with the BSS payload?
     
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