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SixtoReport: D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Live!

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  1. May 2, 2010 #7781 of 10270
    SPACEMAKER

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    2 channels that I would like very much to be in HD. :)
     
  2. May 2, 2010 #7782 of 10270
    Sixto

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    No. It went right to 103.
     
  3. May 2, 2010 #7783 of 10270
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    So, Jeremy's answer is like saying the Grateful Dead are an 80's one hit wonder... technically correct (only Touch of Grey in 1987 was in the Billboard top 40), but it misses the point.

    (yeah, I was looking for an opportunity to use that analogy all day!!!).

    Anyhow, the testing of D10 at 103, when the problems were discovered, would be the equivalent of what was done to D12 at 76.
     
  4. May 2, 2010 #7784 of 10270
    Tom Robertson

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    Yes, the problems would have shown up at 76°. Every transponder is fired up, all the reflectors are characterized, etc.

    Cheers,
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  5. May 2, 2010 #7785 of 10270
    Sixto

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    D10 launched 7/7/2007.

    Reached 103° early-September 2007.

    Press release was 9/14/2007.

    D10 went "live" 9/26/2007.

    2007 was a high pressure year, not much time to test or tweak anything. D11 and D12 each had ample time for testing/tweaking.
     
  6. May 2, 2010 #7786 of 10270
    Jeremy W

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    Not quite. I simply forgot that it wasn't tested at a separate slot, however I knew that the problems were revealed very near the date when it went live. That was the point I was trying to make, which was correct.
     
  7. May 2, 2010 #7787 of 10270
    James Long

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    You can also look at it from a perspective of how quickly after launch the problem was revealed.
    Set the timer based on when DirecTV knew until when we knew.

    Then look at when DirecTV would have known testing D12. That time has passed.
     
  8. May 2, 2010 #7788 of 10270
    Davenlr

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    While I bet you meant Ample, your use of Amble is very appropriate considering the current situation :)

    Amble:

    1. To walk slowly or leisurely; stroll.

    Ample:

    2. More than enough: ample evidence.
    3. Fully sufficient to meet a need or purpose: had ample food for the party.
     
  9. May 2, 2010 #7789 of 10270
    carl6

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    Nothing needs to move (other than D12 of course). There are multiple satellites at all of the orbital slots.
     
  10. May 2, 2010 #7790 of 10270
    Jeremy W

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    The time from launch to live was much quicker for D10.
     
  11. May 2, 2010 #7791 of 10270
    Sixto

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    correct. fixed. :)
     
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    James Long

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    Yep ... DirecTV has plenty of time to let people know. Which is why if there was something to say it would have been said before now.
     
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    I just knew that I would be on a plane on the way out of the country before D12 did anything. :D

    You're welcome, guys. ;)
     
  14. May 2, 2010 #7794 of 10270
    James Long

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    As long as your profile is correct and you'll be gone until August we won't wait for you to come back before making the move. :)
     
  15. May 3, 2010 #7795 of 10270
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    Since the DTV Quarterly Conference Call with the stock analysts is this Thursday, May 6 (2PM, ET), perhaps someone on this board can contact one of these analysts to have them ask the DTV reps a question that would go something like this:
    "Now that D12 has been tested for several months, can DTV now confirm that all of D12's 16 transponders of national HD bandwidth are 'healthy' and without any issues, so as to be able to deliver and support the 80 additional HD channels it was meant to deliver ? "

    DTV's response would tell us whether we should read anything into their changing the DTV marketing language (2 weeks ago) from "capacity for over 200 HD channels" to "160 HD channels", a reduction of more than 40 HD channels or 50% of the promised additional capacity....

    Since each transponder is thought to support 5 HD channels, a potential reduction in over 40 HD channels would mean that a minimum of 8 transponders (on D12) are at stake here.... It would be nice (and a relief) to get confirmation that D12 will still take DTV to deliver over 200 HD channels, notwithstanding the recent change in the marketing materials....

    And would also eliminate any negative thoughts associated with D12's longer-than-anticipated stay at 76....
     
  16. May 3, 2010 #7796 of 10270
    James Long

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    The 160 HD channels isn't capacity. DirecTV has not changed their stance (recently) on capacity. It has been 200 HD channels for a while.

    Dig back far enough and you'll find a capacity of 160 HD channels claimed ... then claims that D12 will increase capacity by 50%. Then the capacity claim with D12 changed to 200 HD channels. 160+50% <> 200. 130+50%= 205.

    Now the claim is that they will offer 160 channels ... not capacity but in your guide and watchable content ... with rollouts starting in May.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see some channels sneak on before D12 just to help DirecTV customers "keep the faith" (although that would annoy customers who believed the excuse that waiting for D12 was the reason they were waiting for new HD). This could be done at the cost of HD Cinema channels that are not needed for RSN alternate/part time channels. The borrowing from HD Cinema would be repaid whenever D12 gets into service.

    I don't see any signs of problems moving from "capacity" advertising to "channel count" advertising. It fits in with DirecTV's other advertising. "We could put up 200 HD channels" isn't as strong of a message as "we have 160 channels (go ahead, count them)". Although the 160 HD is a future offering at least it is an announced plan.

    There is nothing wrong with D12* ... at last word it will be "on service on schedule".

    *Unless of course D12 is refusing to fire thrusters to begin the drift ... but that is just wild speculation.
     
  17. May 3, 2010 #7797 of 10270
    James Long

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    BTW: After regularly checking to see if the TLE for D12 has been updated now more than 91 hours past the last Epoch I'm starting to notice that E14 hasn't been updated in 17 hours pat the last Epoch. Time to stop checking. :D

    Perhaps it is all our fault ... a watched TLE never changes? E14 has changed a few times (to start it's drift to 119) but there are a lot more people watching D12. So perhaps the best advice is to stop looking?
     
  18. May 3, 2010 #7798 of 10270
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    I just don't understand why, right before D12 becomes operational, the sales materials get changed from 200 HD channels to 160 (a 50% HD reduction)..... I know that 200 referred to capacity but they could still have kept this 200 HD "promise" message and still say "we will have 160 in May"....One message does not preclude the other....

    In fact, as much as I've searched around, I can't find now even 1 mention of the 200 HD number they touted very publicly (and loudly) in TV/Radio commercials, newspaper ads, websites, etc. for many months.... If there ever was a time to ramp up this message it would be now when D12 is about to go live and after Dish is making the same (false) claim.....

    Either way, I think you will agree that it would be comforting to hear this coming Thursday (during the Conference Call) that D12's 16 national HD transponders have zero issues and will be able to deliver an additional 80 HD channels (as it was designed to do).... And thus, no more fretting (or speculation) over why it's been testing at 76 for so long....
     
  19. May 3, 2010 #7799 of 10270
    James Long

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    I wouldn't expect a number ... just a simple "there are no problems and we expect the satellite to be on service as scheduled". Something that could be read here for the past few months.
     
  20. May 3, 2010 #7800 of 10270
    Tom Robertson

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    It's actually quite simple.

    When D12 launched DIRECTV didn't know what channels they were going to launch in the first round(s). So they pushed what they could--capacity.

    The Dish sued false advertising (in that spate of lawsuits both filed against each other.) So DIRECTV stopped pushing capacity.

    Now DIRECTV has real channel lists to promote; not capacity. So they push that. (It's a better marketing story anyway.)

    Capacity hasn't changed--it's just not the best sell in marketing stuff.

    Only us geeks really ask lots of questions about the tech specs. Marketing isn't about tech specs--it's about channel specs. :)

    So don't worry about the capacity numbers. They aren't the sell. And they are fine.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
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