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SixtoReport: D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Live!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jul 27, 2008.

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  1. May 4, 2010 #7981 of 10270
    jefbal99

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    Somebody has been watching the Italian Job ;)

    Scrap metal, very funny.
     
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    LameLefty

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    [/cue spooky music]

    :lol:
     
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    hdtvfan0001

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    Someone must have gotten this confused with the previous Dish satellite that failed and ended up being virtual scrap metal... :D
     
  4. May 4, 2010 #7984 of 10270
    jacmyoung

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    That explains it! All old materials used by DISH:)
     
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    Hutchinshouse

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    Now that is funny.
     
  6. May 4, 2010 #7986 of 10270
    LameLefty

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    In all seriousness, you know, as someone else pointed out some time back in the thread, this long dry spell between TLEs is probably what Satelliteracer was referring to with his playful, cryptic "Wormhole" comment earlier. That could have indicated that the vehicle is in the process of an extended "burn" of the XIPS, with the idea that TLEs aren't being generated and publicly disseminated until the completion of the maneuver.
     
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    Hdhead

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    But you have indicated that there is no collusion between D*, Boeing and SPACECOMMAND on TLE disclosure??????????
     
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    LameLefty

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    It's not about collusion, it's about accuracy. As I've explained many times (going back to the D10 thread in mid-2007), a TLE is a snapshot in time. If the observations used to generate an element set are made during a propulsive event, they are less than useless - they are dangerous to other satellite operators who may rely on them for accuracy in coordinating and controlling the movements of their own spacecraft.

    Ergo, that is not collusion or any other absurd conspiracy theory, it's just common sense.
     
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    Jeremy W

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    So it's less dangerous for them to simply have no idea where D12 is?
     
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    syphix

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    They know where it is. Hell, I know where it is. It's right there. {*points upward*} No, now it's there. Geez, it keeps moving! Over there!!! Follow it!!!!
     
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    Hoosier205

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    Who said they have no idea where it is? Those who need to know...know. Those who do not need to know (which includes all of us)...do not.
     
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    hdtvfan0001

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    Jeremy W

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    Please re-read the post I quoted for some context.
     
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    Please remember, the posting of TLE's by USSTRATCOM is a public service, one that they can withhold. The general public does not have an intrinsic 'right' to this information. Those that need to have it, have access to it...
     
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    LameLefty

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    Who said that? There are industry methods of disseminating technical information that are not public. In fact, satellite operators are required by federal and international regulation to coordinate their movements. I'm reasonably sure that Boeing's satellite controllers haven't forgotten that, and have informed all the players who own or operate spacecraft in the 76º - 103º arc of their planned trajectory and maneuvers.
     
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    Hoosier205

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    What Lefty said.

    Those who need to know...know. The rest of us can wait patiently.
     
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    So then what would be dangerous about a TLE while in propulsion. Since apparently all this coordination is done behind the scenes anyway?
     
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    As much as people here want to ASSUME we have as much information as needed to declare problems, we simply don't.

    TLEs are not public fact that must be given
    We don't know or have the FCC/Boeing/DirecTV testing results or list of items to be tested.

    The only thing we KNOW:

    DirecTV released a press release saying more channels in May.
    DirecTV has not filed anything with the SEC.

    So what does that tell us for facts?
    DirecTV is fine and will be on service as planned in May. Until either an SEC filing or a revised press release or June 1st with no new channels - its just a bunch of chicken little sky is falling non-sense to assume ANYTHING is wrong with D12.
     
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    Lt Disher

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    Your comments make apparent sense. Why would TLE's be released for other satellites during their propulsive events? (Just look at other threads to see examples.)
     
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    Alan Gordon

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    Kudos to James Long for the hilarious milk carton gag!! :lol:

    ~Alan
     
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