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SixtoReport: D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Live!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jul 27, 2008.

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  1. Sep 11, 2009 #81 of 10270
    Alan Gordon

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    I really wish they would have commented on some of their HD-LIL plans, but oh well...

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  2. Sep 11, 2009 #82 of 10270
    hdtvfan0001

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    Absolutely so.

    Not trying to minimize that....just point out that after waiting this long...the change is minor.
     
  3. Sep 11, 2009 #83 of 10270
    Tom Robertson

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    I'm almost certain D12 was always planned to go to space, from the very beginning. Until D10 and D11 were solidly in space and tested, D12's role might have been in flux, but always planned to go up. :)

    Also, DIRECTV has always been very good at taking advantage of strategic opportunities that fit into their long-term plan. While everyone knew that BSS frequencies would be available, no one was sure when the FCC would finally act. (Tho people who watch the FCC for a living might have had a good guess.) :)

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  4. Sep 11, 2009 #84 of 10270
    HoTat2

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    BTW, probably a minor point;

    But I assume the frequency ranges listed for these granted BSS slots posted by Sixto, are not accurate for CONUS transmission at least. Or has the FCC assignment for BSS been changed from the downlink of 17.3-17.7 Ghz to 17.3-17.8 Ghz?

    Isn't 17.7-17.8 Ghz still reserved for terrestrial microwave service?
     
  5. Sep 11, 2009 #85 of 10270
    Sixto

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    It's up to 17.7 to use. RB-2A is 17345-17700 MHz.

    The 17.7 to 17.8 was international only. I should update that post.
     
  6. Sep 11, 2009 #86 of 10270
    Gary Toma

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    Here's a link to a post in the Beam Footprint thread, with FCC info dated 9/11/09 on DIRECTV's 4 (now 3) BSS Sats.

    Click HERE
     
  7. Sep 11, 2009 #87 of 10270
    P Smith

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    You don't need that additional 500 Mhz trunk, if new SWM will have one more input for the sat.
     
  8. Sep 11, 2009 #88 of 10270
    Sixto

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    Yep, posted here at 1:03pm ET ... tough to beat this thread! :)

    Although sometimes Lefty and I are slackers.

    (just having fun :))
     
  9. Sep 12, 2009 #89 of 10270
    DirectMan

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    Any discount in the launch costs to D* for possibly swapping places and accepting a later launch date is unlikely to be material enough to require financial disclosure (maybe 10-20% of contracted launch price) of what may be a $100-$120 million launch cost. So unlikely we will find out real reason unless disclosure by D*.


    Extra costs to Eutelsat over original Sea Launch maybe $35 million + payment to D*:
    http://www.spacenews.com/launch/ils-proton-rocket-launches-asiasat-satellite.html

    Perhaps Sea Launch and or its insurers are covering some of these costs?
     
  10. Sep 12, 2009 #90 of 10270
    LameLefty

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    SeaLaunch is actually in bankruptcy right now. They're not paying anybody much of anything. :(
     
  11. Sep 12, 2009 #91 of 10270
    HoTat2

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    To be more precise, since the BSS band uses both right and left circular channels a new SWiM-LNB would need an additional two internal inputs. And I think this would only be practical for the SWiMLine LNB concept, as I cannot imagine a six output SlimLine LNB with a cumbersome six lines running from the Ka/Ku ODU dish. Four is bad enough.

    However, any BSS capable SWM module for MDU's or whatever would be problematic and need some kind of second dish arrangement.
     
  12. Sep 12, 2009 #92 of 10270
    DirectMan

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    I would think that there would be a good chance that one of the 4 BSS spotbeams targeted for the western US would be aimed at Southern California. Because it is still somewhat of an experimental technology it is likely that having the ability to test locally by the LA based D* headquarters staff and Boeing satellite staff would be an option they would employ.
     
  13. Sep 12, 2009 #93 of 10270
    RAD

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    IIRC, DirecTV11 had a BSS payload on it that allowed for testing already, that's why it took so long for D11 to go active for customers.

    It might be they've target the western US so they can add HD LIL service for some of the smaller DMA's where they'd probably be looking at a small number of people that would need replacement dish/STB's (if needed).
     
  14. Sep 12, 2009 #94 of 10270
    harsh

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    Chapter 11 (reorganization) temporarily relieves Sea Launch from some of the old debt but it doesn't prevent them from spending new money; especially if making these payments prevents them from being assessed much larger breach of contract damages.
     
  15. Sep 12, 2009 #95 of 10270
    LameLefty

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    "Temporarily"? Nice to know you've added federal bankruptcy law to your list of topics to post nonsense about. Ask GM shareholders and retirees how "temporary" their loss of stock value and health/pension benefits have been. :rolleyes:

    The fact is, SeaLaunch was well-capitalized from the outset and has still ended up in bankruptcy despite a steady backlog of orders and being one of only three main players in the international launch market. That sort of performance doesn't inspire investor confidence.

    Please, stick to what you know instead of continuing to clutter up Directv threads with babble. :)
     
  16. Sep 12, 2009 #96 of 10270
    harsh

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    The environmentally conscious option is shredding their shareholder, pension and/or health care plan documents and recycling them. The reorganization option may allow them to ride out the storm and salvage some value from their "ownership".
    Nobody is asserting that the investors should be confident or optimistic. Investing is a gamble even when you bet on the biggest names.

    What makes no sense at all is assuring that a process like launching a satellite (that has a slightly better than even chance of ultimate success) will necessarily lead to a nearly complete slate of programming by a date certain. This is especially questionable given the uncertainty of the launch date.
     
  17. Sep 12, 2009 #97 of 10270
    hdtvfan0001

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    What the Sam Hedes does this have to do with D12 - NOTHING! :rolleyes:
    un⋅cer⋅tain⋅ty  /ʌnˈsɜrtnti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uhn-sur-tn-tee] –noun, plural -ties for 2.
    1. the state of being uncertain; doubt; hesitancy: His uncertainty gave impetus to his inquiry.
    2. an instance of uncertainty, doubt, etc.
    3. unpredictability; indeterminacy; indefiniteness.


    A formal launch date is not publically available, and is subject to launch conditions, equipment readiness, testing results, governmental regulations, and other variables common to rocket science technology. LameLefty and Sixto are experts in this area.

    The launch is predictable and publically announced without doubt (DirecTV sets the date internally), it is set up within the timeframes of the aforementioned conditions (so it is determined), and known to be within a launch window of time (not infinite). :nono2:

    When a poster who is a Dish customer continues to post false and/or misleading information in the DirecTV threads....it is clear as to your intent - and its not for the betterment of DirecTV customers who frequent the DBSTalk threads to get viable information.

    Get along little doggie, get along...
     
  18. Sep 12, 2009 #98 of 10270
    HoTat2

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    Interesting how appearances can be so deceiving. For instance after watching the professional way all of SeaLaunch's pre-launch operations were carried out and then the celebration by it's employees following DIRECTV-11's successful launch and injection into it's geosynchronous transfer orbit you would have guessed a profitable company and never that anything was wrong.

    Yet buried behind the scenes the company was in financial trouble and spiraling down toward bankruptcy.

    Crazy-#*$! economy and world man...:nono2:
     
  19. Sep 12, 2009 #99 of 10270
    harsh

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    I challenge you to explain how DIRECTV can control any of the above "subject to" items with certainty.
    They are recognized experts here at DBSTalk, but I'm not sure they are "the" experts on the subject. I respect the efforts that they put forth just as I expect that they respect the efforts that others put forth in the search for the best information possible.
    DIRECTV can set all the dates that they want, but ILS, Boeing, existing orbiting object conflicts and Mother Nature (especially as Winter approaches) can pretty much tell them that they need to change those dates.
    Insisting that my posts are somehow false or misleading because of the TV service I subscribe to doesn't make them any less (or any more) valid. The fact that these accusations rarely come with contra-indicative evidence makes the accusations seem false or misleading.
     
  20. Sep 12, 2009 #100 of 10270
    srenker

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    So here's a technical question: Being lower frequencies than Ka, would the BSS band resist weather fade better and/or perform better at long distances? I could see that being a win for Alaska and Hawaii.
     
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