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SixtoReport: D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Live!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jul 27, 2008.

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  1. May 18, 2010 #10161 of 10270
    keithmerr

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    my tp readings are in the upper 70s and lower 80s on 103 ca and cb but all the other sats tps are in lower to upper 90s.. does that mean the tilt needs adjusting?
     
  2. May 18, 2010 #10162 of 10270
    Jon J

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    What needs to be tweaked if my 101 numbers are all in the high 90s but 103 a/b numbers are all mid 80s to low 90s?
     
  3. May 18, 2010 #10163 of 10270
    sigma1914

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    Nothing. Those numbers are fine.
     
  4. May 18, 2010 #10164 of 10270
    Rob

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    I wish I had those numbers. But that's the price too pay for living in San Diego.
     
  5. May 18, 2010 #10165 of 10270
    georule

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    Increasingly "relationship maintenance" gets into the calculation as well. As content providers aggregate, a cable/sat company can find themselves being faced with the need to give space to a channel that they aren't as excited about as another channel, but will do it anyway because of the need to maintain the relationship (and perhaps receive preferential pricing) with the provider who has 3 (4. . .5. . .fill in the blank) other channels you need to have on your system.
     
  6. May 18, 2010 #10166 of 10270
    HarleyD

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    Do you really think they are going to attempt to negotiate carriage agreements with more channels than they have the bandwidth to air? Will they one day say "Oops. We don't have room for that channel now that we have negotiated an agreement. If only we hadn't lit up such-and-such a channel. Alas and alack. Woe is me."

    If you need prompting, the answer is no.

    So assuming they are not negotiating to carry more channels than they can broadcast, lighting up the channel with partial HD content ahead of one with 100% HD content is not a bandwidth consideration...period.
     
  7. May 18, 2010 #10167 of 10270
    James Long

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    Yes, I do. Until the contract is signed they can always pull out of negotiations. It could even be used to pressure the channel providers. ("If you want to be on our system before we run out of space give me an offer that is good enough to accept.") The way you put it DirecTV would have to decide, NOW, what ~50 channels they will ever add after the next 30 announced and not negotiate outside if those 50 channels. Or turn back the clock to last year when they were negotiating for the 30 they will be adding soon.

    That is a bad assumption. Predetermining who they will talk to and refusing to talk to anyone else? It is better to keep the options open.

    There is no problem being in negotiations for more channels than you have space for. The problem only comes from agreeing to carry more channels than you have space for. Negotiation is just talk, not commitment to carry.
     
  8. May 18, 2010 #10168 of 10270
    HarleyD

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    Not at all. Exactly the opposite in fact.

    You decide on the next 10 or 15 or 20 or whatever providers that either provide HD feeds today or will provide them in the foreseeable future.

    Of that group you light them up as agreements are reached.

    And you have still left 35-40 slots in reserve for whatever tomorrow brings.
     
  9. May 18, 2010 #10169 of 10270
    DaveC27

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    Airlines do it all the time selling more seats than they actually have because they know that at departure time some people will have missed their flight or not turned up for other reasons

    It's the same with carriage deals if you start by selling space you only have room for then you'll find some channels will close down and others you just can't come to a deal with. So you start by trying to sell 110% of the capacity knowing that at least 10% won't get to ever launch
     
  10. May 18, 2010 #10170 of 10270
    GoPokes43

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    I continued to get a solid picture on the HD channels when my dish got out of alignment and was getting mostly 40s (in good weather). Anything more than a light rain caused problems though.
     
  11. May 18, 2010 #10171 of 10270
    James Long

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    So you would negotiate far below capacity and leave plenty of space for the future. Not a bad plan. The problem is the "foreseeable" in that future. How far out are you looking? A year? Two? One needs to look as far out as the next addition to their bandwidth or one will be caught short.

    I believe it is better to keep open communications with all potential providers. As noted, there are already at least a couple of dozen channels with live HD feeds that DirecTV will not have at the end of the 30 "May" additions. Plus there are a couple dozen more that will have HD by the end of the year. Just dealing with those with HD feeds now consumes half of the available space and adding in the "forseeable future" channels consumes all available space.

    So now you know there are 50 channels with HD feeds today or by the end of the year ... Which 10 - 15 - 20 are you going to negotiate with and which 30+ are you going to ignore? Personally I'd say negotiate with everyone and sign the best deals for the best channels.
     
  12. May 18, 2010 #10172 of 10270
    GoPokes43

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    I don't know D's actual operational behavior, but as an attorney who prepares transaction documents for many types of deals, I can assure you that a high priority issue in many deals is, "how can I get out of this if I want to do so in the future?" If the other party isn't holding up its end of the bargain, then you can usually walk away. Or, you put in conditions such that if an alternative comes along that does not yet exist, you can terminate. Even if you don't have such rights, termination may involve simply providing adequate notice or paying a nominal fee (though, reputational issues can be significant in whether to go through with it). Other times, it is considerably more painful to terminate a contract through high penalties.
     
  13. May 18, 2010 #10173 of 10270
    LameLefty

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    You guys need to stop spamming this thread with content discussions. Some "super" people especially should know better. :)

    :backtotop
     
  14. May 18, 2010 #10174 of 10270
    dcowboy7

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    Alls i know is satracer said 99% of the people would be happy with D12s channels & just getting those 30 doesnt make 99% happy.

    So we know more channels are on the way.
     
  15. May 18, 2010 #10175 of 10270
    Rikinky

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    So what are the odds that new HD Channels will pop up tommorow morning?
     
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    georule

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    Yeah, I'm in the low/mid 90s and usually find a very heavy rain will cause the picture to drop out if the signal strength gets much below 50.
     
  17. May 18, 2010 #10177 of 10270
    ATARI

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    50/50
     
  18. May 18, 2010 #10178 of 10270
    Hoosier205

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    99.9% - 100%
     
  19. May 18, 2010 #10179 of 10270
    Athlon646464

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    I say 75%
     
  20. May 18, 2010 #10180 of 10270
    wmb

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    Looks like its almost time to say goodbye to this thread!

    I must say its been fun... I'll miss the discussion and rambling.
     
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